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Take it as a minor strategic win - he has burned some fuel.
Oh, order more YMS' - the perfect TT magnet.

I think you did right here, maybe there was something else waiting for you.
So many subs?

So many subs is right!! By this point in game I rarely tie my subs to other fleet movement but use them almost solely for interdiction purposes. Any thoughts on which doctrine works better and when?? Early in war I can see using the US fleet boats as garbage scows or scarecrows but this point they become useful.

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Actually, is it the 1/43 sub upgrade where most fleet units lose their ability to carry mines? I try to hold back eight or ten from upgrading for this reason.

I just noticed that the Mk 10 mines go out of production at this point too. If that is true, and I can't mine with another mine type, I may as well get the upgrade. I haven't checked but I assume there are still subs that use mines. The Dutch and British, maybe? Can't look now, but I'd like to know as I do use this feature often.

No, the subs (American only) can then use the MK12 mine which replaces the MK10. It is without a doubt the most powerful mine in the game. The equivalent in killing power of a long lance. But, it can only be laid by subs so save some for that purpose.

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Take it as a minor strategic win - he has burned some fuel.
Oh, order more YMS' - the perfect TT magnet.

I think you did right here, maybe there was something else waiting for you.
So many subs?

I do think sighting that massive replenishment TF is a very good indication of the cost of fighting out here for the IJN. These big fleets have been moving around, trying to avoid subs and search, for more than a month.

My subs are concentrated in the Cent Pac and So Pac areas and off the tip of India. No where else currently. Concentration of their use allows better recon/info from sightings and attacks, and it also is a psychological tool. As the Japanese player it's not fun to see 20 subs in the area you need to move through, and I know it affects my decisions on that side regularly.

It can also lead to IJN planes flying lots of search/ASW missions which can lead to opening for strikes well into their territory. I've moved the DDs doing ASW back toward Tarawa just for this purpose. If he moves away I might just run up to try to pick off that collection of oilers. [:)]

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So many subs is right!! By this point in game I rarely tie my subs to other fleet movement but use them almost solely for interdiction purposes. Any thoughts on which doctrine works better and when?? Early in war I can see using the US fleet boats as garbage scows or scarecrows but this point they become useful.

These aren't linked to fleet movements, but are linked to theaters where I've been trying to move forward. The subs are there to scout and strike and scare.

In So Pac they are still hauling supply to places like Deboyne Island and Ontong Java, and that is very worth it if those become good search bases or jumping off points. Still a few weeks from better torpedoes anyway.

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Actually, is it the 1/43 sub upgrade where most fleet units lose their ability to carry mines? I try to hold back eight or ten from upgrading for this reason.

I just noticed that the Mk 10 mines go out of production at this point too. If that is true, and I can't mine with another mine type, I may as well get the upgrade. I haven't checked but I assume there are still subs that use mines. The Dutch and British, maybe? Can't look now, but I'd like to know as I do use this feature often.

No, the subs (American only) can then use the MK12 mine which replaces the MK10. It is without a doubt the most powerful mine in the game. The equivalent in killing power of a long lance. But, it can only be laid by subs so save some for that purpose.

Odd that some have been upgraded and still show using the Mk 10, while others show using the Mk 12. I'll have to look into this further, but thanks for bringing it up. Never considered they would lose mining ability.

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Here is the situation in China. Nick has poured over the river and now is moving to the crossing hex from the safe side. He'll most likely pound away with nearly all tanks there soon. I've begun building up in all of the rough hexes beyond and along the gray road. It's getting desperate, but with the Changsha and Tuyun pockets self-contained, supply is flowing more quickly to the areas near Kweiyang at this point.

Although units are prepping for Sian, Changsha and even Wenchow, and I know exactly where they are in relation to those bases, none of them have been threatened lately except from the air.

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A god turn for the defenders of Chungking. While the smaller LR CAP battles haven't gone our way, this one certainly makes up for a lot of that and could have ramifications for a long time if a lot of good pilots were lost. It certainly made our groups even stronger. [:)]

[font="Times New Roman"]Miri[/font]

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Has this oil not been repaired or is this just my residual and incomplete info about the base?

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[font="Times New Roman"]Miri[/font]

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Has this oil not been repaired or is this just my residual and incomplete info about the base?

Hasn't been repaired. As far as I know, this is always accurate after a few days...

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[font="Times New Roman"]Miri[/font]

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Has this oil not been repaired or is this just my residual and incomplete info about the base?

Hasn't been repaired. As far as I know, this is always accurate after a few days...

That's what i thought. What do you mean 'after a few days?'

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[font="Times New Roman"]Miri[/font]

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Has this oil not been repaired or is this just my residual and incomplete info about the base?

Miri starts with Oil at 150(150), it takes time and a lot of supply to repair the "damaged" 150. Same at Brunei with lower figures - something like 30(30).
I think they were trying to show wells started by Royal Dutch Shell Co. , but not yet producing.

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[font="Times New Roman"]Miri[/font]

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Has this oil not been repaired or is this just my residual and incomplete info about the base?

Hasn't been repaired. As far as I know, this is always accurate after a few days...

That's what i thought. What do you mean 'after a few days?'

I've noticed from bombing Magwe that I'll get, say, 7 Oil hits. The next day I check, and the Oil at Magwe is reported as only 1-2 lower than it was before. Over the course of a few days, even without more raids (and no fires, as Magwe has no Manpower and I didn't bomb Manpower in any case...), the number of functional Oil centers will drop a bit more. So I always keep an eye on it for a few days, and whatever number it's at after a while is what stays.

It's also how I now that MM hasn't repaired damaged Resources at Sapporo from my raid, and how I know that I didn't burn down any Oil centers there (it's back to displaying 6, which means 5).

Curious why he hasn't fixed all of that oil in a year? It should be much farther along than that if he was trying. Is there a dearth of supply with all of the China and India ops going? Is oil less important than those things?

Without the Lanchow oil to date, and with only an extra bit from the Ledo oil, he still wouldn't really want to forego repairing any available oil source. The 135 points here still to be fixed is a lot of oil.

Hi Overt,

I do not repair the oil at Miri mainly because of the small port size. There are enough other places with larger ports to haul fuel/oil from that I have not repaired Miri. The supply cost to repair is pretty high. I do expand the port and setup enough shipping to keep the levels down. I have no idea if this is the smartest thing to do but it is the course I have taken.

Thanks for the AAR. I visit daily and enjoy both sides so I don't make comments.

Walter

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Curious why he hasn't fixed all of that oil in a year? It should be much farther along than that if he was trying. Is there a dearth of supply with all of the China and India ops going? Is oil less important than those things?

Without the Lanchow oil to date, and with only an extra bit from the Ledo oil, he still wouldn't really want to forego repairing any available oil source. The 135 points here still to be fixed is a lot of oil.

I think he's making a mistake in not repairing the oil. Granted, it's a big investment of supply, but at the same time, what other sources of oil does Japan have access to that are so centrally located and sheilded from Allied attack (provided you garrison it to prevent sub raids!)?

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Hasn't been repaired. As far as I know, this is always accurate after a few days...

That's what i thought. What do you mean 'after a few days?'

It's also how I now that MM hasn't repaired damaged Resources at Sapporo from my raid, and how I know that I didn't burn down any Oil centers there (it's back to displaying 6, which means 5).

Of course I haven't - the stuff from China more than covers the deficit! I've enough resources in the Home Islands to last me till '45!

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Of course I haven't - the stuff from China more than covers the deficit! I've enough resources in the Home Islands to last me till '45!

This AAR is starting to look like the Swiss Embassy . . .

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Curious why he hasn't fixed all of that oil in a year? It should be much farther along than that if he was trying. Is there a dearth of supply with all of the China and India ops going? Is oil less important than those things?

Without the Lanchow oil to date, and with only an extra bit from the Ledo oil, he still wouldn't really want to forego repairing any available oil source. The 135 points here still to be fixed is a lot of oil.

I think he's making a mistake in not repairing the oil. Granted, it's a big investment of supply, but at the same time, what other sources of oil does Japan have access to that are so centrally located and sheilded from Allied attack (provided you garrison it to prevent sub raids!)?

[:)] It's too bad I can't burn it down with my Marines.

Look at it this way. Each point of Oil is essentially 1 point of Supply. Use the port at Brunei, also - Oil/Fuel will flow there, it's only 1 hex distant even if there is no road. So you should spend that 150,000 supply at Miri. After 150 days, you're fully repaired, so sometime around mid-May, 1942. It takes 1000 days to "break even" on this supply expenditure, per point of Oil repaired. So the first point repaired breaks even on day 1001, and the last point on day 1151. You don't actually break even on the final point of repair until January, 1945, but you break even on the first point 150 days before that, and every point after that is extra. You may not be able to access Miri until this break even point, but you'll get close enough that it's worth the gamble, IMO.

I think there may be an argument for only partially repairing it, but it's not what I do.

Miri's not a bad little airbase either, if your opponent comes up through the DEI.

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Of course I haven't - the stuff from China more than covers the deficit! I've enough resources in the Home Islands to last me till '45!

I just check periodically to confirm you aren't doing anything stupid [;)].

Further to you comment Lokasenna, if HI in Japan/Indochina/Manila is having trouble producing because of oil/fuel, the extra point of oil produced and shipped to where needed instantly provides a point of supply production and HI production (assuming resources are adequate). This makes the payoff much sooner than the total payback, IMO.

My rule of thumb is repair oil if you can control it for six months or more. If you can't protect it, don't fix it.