WitE 2

[Platypus]

ORIGINAL: HermanGraf

When we getting the entire war? [&o]

Oooooooooh --- and spend how long [weeks] in the preparation phase.......let alone the ops phase [:'(]

[Hermann]

ORIGINAL: Red Lancer

ORIGINAL: Platypus

@ Red Lancer: I am interested in how you include individual leaders like this into the gameplay?
Example: Does he, as the CO add substantial morale to his unit, or are the combat modifiers adjusted in other ways. Most importantly, how do you still ensure game balance??

We are able to add him as we added named pilots in WitW alongside Commanders. Leadership rolls only effect HQ Commanders at Fliegerkorps and above so Rudel would need to be added as a pilot. That is simple and I did it in less time than it took to do this post. I've added him as a very skilled pilot so he'll be pretty good. Balance is achieved using knowledge of how the system behaves and a lot of testing. This is one reason why developing these games takes so long.

wOot !

[Hermann]

ORIGINAL: Red Lancer

ORIGINAL: Hermann

my argument is the same as always. Supply. Rail is the only way to carry supply and rail lines have a capacity. unlimited supply to a point at the end of a rail line has to stop to avoid the insanity of 30-40 panzer divisions fully supplied at the end of 1000 mile line rail line with 2 tracks. a system of depot counters is the best option with supply actually traveling to the counters and a real capacity in the depots

WitE2 uses an improved version of the WitW logistics system. Freight movement is tracked along rails and competes with unit movement. Congestion imposes higher costs although the new double rail lines provide higher capacity. Depot capacity is also variable. The Panzer Ball is no longer a good tactic and major advances have to exploit good communications.

wOot ! Goodnite Pelton, now youre going to have to learn to play the game =))

[EwaldvonKleist]

Good and interesting thread on Axis history Hermann, I have to do a lot of reading as well.

[Hermann]

thanks I love that site

[Hermann]

shhhhh... I like the guy leave him be

[martinsmit]

Hi everyone!
I'm new here, but I play a long time in WitE, and I have a question.
The developers of the WitE2 and WitE (after patch 1.07.11) are the same people?
IMHO in WitE after patch 1.07.11 the balance of the system CV (and not only) is severely disturbed
Thanks!

[No idea]

ORIGINAL: martinsmit

Hi everyone!
I'm new here, but I play a long time in WitE, and I have a question.
The developers of the WitE2 and WitE (after patch 1.07.11) are the same people?
IMHO in WitE after patch 1.07.11 the balance of the system CV (and not only) is severely disturbed
Thanks!

In WITE, after a certain patch (it might be 1.07, but I am not sure) developers stopped supporting the game directly. Instead, a few fans took that work (and they did a good job, although I guess some people dont like it as much as the previous work).

[morvael]

Yes, don't worry martinsmit, WitW and WitE2 comes from the same people as WitE before patch 1.07.11.

[Denniss]

Maybe think of the "fans" who took over WitP and developed it into WitP:AE

[MechFO]

Not on the horizon for WITE2 but for WITE3 something like the below would be a giant step forward. Arguably the weakest part of the WITE is it's time machine.

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[EwaldvonKleist]

Regarding the WitE II Manual: I hope that the manual will as much improve as the game itself.
The WitE I Manual is quite long but it leaves a lot of things unclear which results in a lot of questions here on the forum. Maybe one introductional manual to get used with the basics and one in detail manual with focus on being very precise which explains more difficult/tricky things for those interested. I also prefer slightly different presentation of the information than given in the WitE-Manual. A quick comparison:
Manual:

In order to receive supply, a combat unit first attempts to trace a path to the headquarters unit to which it is attached. The combat unit must
be within both five hexes and twenty MPs of the applicable headquarters unit. In order for a headquarters unit to provide supply to its
attached combat and support units, it in turn must be within both 25 hexes and 100 MPs of a railhead. If a combat unit cannot trace an
eligible path to its headquarters unit, it will then attempt to trace a path to a railhead as if it was a headquarters unit, i.e. within both 25
hexes and 100 MPs of the railhead. Note that Air base and Rail repair units, though HQ units, are treated as combat units for supply purposes
per the above. Also note the distinction between supply state and tracing supply, in that a unit that is within 100 MPs, but not within 25
hexes, is considered in supply, but nonetheless, will not be able to receive supply due to exceeding the 25 hex requirement.

The way I can digest the information best, copy and paste from my "how supply works" manual I wrote for myself:

The following conditions have to be met so supplies can flow from the railhead to the HQ and from there to the units:
1. MP distance unit-HQ: <21MPs (not taken into account if the hexagon distance is <2)
2. Hexagon distance unit-HQ: <6hexagons
3. MP distance eligible HQ-railhead: <101MPs
4. Hexagon distance HQ-railhead: <26hexagons
Therefore, the maximum distance from the railhead which still allows unit resupply is <31hexagons and <121MPs.
If the conditions 3&4 are not fulfilled, the subordinate unit can still be supplied from the dumps which existed in the HQ unit. The conditions 1&2 still have to be fulfilled in this case.

I don't want to say I am good in writing manuals just giving an example.

Maybe I am alone with this view, but I prefer the very strict presentation comparable to the one to be found in mathematical books.
Regardless of the manual, WitE II will be an instant buy

[RedLancer]

Work on the WitE2 Manual has yet to begin in detail. However we have looked at re-organising the information to make things easier to find. The current plan is for the Manual to be broken down into nine colour coded sections. Each section will start with an explanation of the aim of the section and an overview of the section’s layout.

The plan is that the detail will broadly follow the decision action cycle / OODA Loop. First tell you what things are (Observe), what to look at (Orientate), what is important in choosing (Decide) and lastly how to effect a change (Act). Finally a few key tips and hints to guide players in the right direction.

The Sections we envisage are:

GETTING STARTED (BROWN). This section provides basic background information and instructions to get you ready to start playing the game (i.e. on the map and ready to move the first counter).

BASIC GAMEPLAY (YELLOW). This section provides instructions on how to get playing the game with the minimum of fuss and bother. This section also includes, where relevant, full page guides which show in cartoon strip format basic step by step guides to support basic game play and links to more detailed sections. For those with WitW this is the Player’s Handbook.

PLAYING ENVIRONMENT (RED). This section provides detailed information on both the game’s graphic user interface and the map on which combat is conducted.

AIR COMBAT (LT BLUE). This section provides detailed information on how to handle air forces and the associated rules.

GROUND COMBAT (GREEN). This section provides detailed information on how to handle ground forces and the associated rules.

NAVAL & AMPHIBIOUS COMBAT (DARK BLUE). This section provides detailed information on how to handle naval forces and the associated rules.

LOGISTICS & PRODUCTION (PINK). This section provides detail on the functioning and rules that govern the resupply of units and the creation of materiel.

APPENDICIES (GREY). This section groups together reference material and information not included in the other sections to help readability.

CREDITS (ORANGE)

[EwaldvonKleist]

Thank you for the in detail answer!
That definitely sounds like a good concept to introduce players into the game.

[Tejszd]

Definitely would like more historical options for replay ability and possibly play balance.

Germans attack early Apr. - Germans attack Greece (Apr. 6) and Russia together so have less units and supply buildup
Germans attack mid May - Germans quickly attack after Greece falls (Apr. 30) with less supply buildup and don't wait for Crete to fall (Jun. 1)
Germans friendlier to locals - reduced Russian partisan activity/support
Russian military purges reduced - better leadership/morale
Russian readiness increased - Stalin not worried about provoking the Germans (builds forts and or HQ supply buildup)
Non-Random Weather - we already have
Reduced Blizzard - we already have

Random option(s)

[kch]

Sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else, but is WITE 2 slated for 2017?

[Commanderski]

Sorry if this has already been answered somewhere else, but is WITE 2 slated for 2017?

They haven't started Beta testing yet. That usually lasts a year or so. I wouldn't look for this until late 2018 at the earliest

[RedLancer]

ORIGINAL: Tejszd

Definitely would like more historical options for replay ability and possibly play balance.

Germans attack early Apr. - Germans attack Greece (Apr. 6) and Russia together so have less units and supply buildup
Germans attack mid May - Germans quickly attack after Greece falls (Apr. 30) with less supply buildup and don't wait for Crete to fall (Jun. 1)
Germans friendlier to locals - reduced Russian partisan activity/support
Russian military purges reduced - better leadership/morale
Russian readiness increased - Stalin not worried about provoking the Germans (builds forts and or HQ supply buildup)
Non-Random Weather - we already have
Reduced Blizzard - we already have

Random option(s)

WitE2 has a new event system that can be used together with the editor to cover most of what you suggest. However I doubt there will be ahistoric scenarios at game release. The new weather system and winter rules mean that your last two suggestions no longer really apply.

[Hortlund]

So, Im just trying to get what sort of game WitE2 will be. Are we roughly talking about the WitW-engine with the WitE OOB and map?

[morvael]

I think many aspects are expanded compared to WitW, so it think WitE2 to WitW will be like WitW to WitE.