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It occurs to me one could also do a lot of damage from a level 9 base at Taihoku on Formosa. [:)]

Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.[:)]

I wonder if they have anything at Karenko? Crappy port, but then you could walk in to Taihoku.

It would be like the Rangers landing at Amalfi.

I think The clear terrain makes Taihoku a juicy target .. Bombardment ..air launched ground attacks are particularly effective in clear terrain. No Urban quagmire to worry about..[8D] I do not think Formosa's industry can sustain itself ? Depending on what Beta version you are playing LI either continues or shuts off when occupied.

Edit: all the bases are in clear terrain! (exception one mtn hex as pointed out by the Cap)

Taihoku to Fukuoka 18 hexes.

HI, airprane factories, oil production [:)]

With the exception of mainland China, Korea and Sakhalin Is., Taihoku is the nearest base to the Home Isrands buildable to level 9.

Any Arried prayer who lands at Shanghai or Hangchow or Tsingtao or Korea better bring 5 or 6 divisions because the Kool-aide drinkers in China will just hop on a train.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

With the exception of mainland China, Korea and Sakhalin Is., Taihoku is the nearest base to the Home Isrands buildable to level 9.

Any Arried prayer who lands at Shanghai or Hangchow or Tsingtao or Korea better bring 5 or 6 divisions because the Kool-aide drinkers in China will just hop on a train.

Much easier to isolate as you astutely point out [8D] Although depending on deployment it might take 5 or 6 divisions to root out the IJ here ... [;)] I wonder if the IJ have been busy building fortifications here?

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.[:)]

Watch for this on Formosa too. This qualifies as something that would happen on Horrycrappo-jima too.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=870_1377954297

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns.[:)]

Watch for this on Formosa too. This qualifies as something that would happen on Horrycrappo-jima too.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=870_1377954297

Turns out that a lot of 'smaller stuff' hit the car from the front - see the picture:
http://www.appledaily.com.tw/appledaily/article/headline/20130901/35263341/%E9%9A%AA5%E5%99%B8%E5%B7%A8%E7%9F%B3%E5%BE%9E%E5%A4%A9%E9%99%8D#

Kaelung Fortress has 4 very nasty 28 cm guns

Just for the readers of this esteemed AAR ..

I think three things have changed over the past two years in this game that make the major forts like Kaelung Fortress and the Truk Fortress particularly powerful.

1. Changes in Flak Effectiveness
2. Adjustments in Bombing Cohesion
3. Adjustments in damage resolution?

Prior to the latest stream of Beta changes an attack for example from Kussie Island and Ponape on Truk could devastate the Truk fortress. Now such an endeavor will cost 4E's from flak -- those 88L71's are extremely effective now(if not losses from CAP); the air groups are far more likely to arrive in strings decreasing bombing effectiveness and I think increasing the opportunity for flak and CAP losses, and it seems to me that overall damage is reduced in these Beta's besides the effects of getting pounded more by flak and disorganized cohesion.

Thus I propose strikes on the real fortresses like Kaelung requires a land route clearly ... and Truk requires reducing supply to zero to minimize the effects of the guns.

Now back to discussing a land slide in Asia [8D]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Now back to discussing a land slide in Asia [8D]

Interesting discussion on air to ground efficacy vs fortresses. We have also demonstrated that an accidental Eben-Emael type raid with 130 Aussie paratroops doesn't work very well either.


As for the video, that is actually historic footage of the sabotage attack of the remaining 30 commandos of 503rd PIR on the 213th Yokohama Camry Bn on Formosa, May, 1943(c).

Interesting discussion on air to ground efficacy vs fortresses...

In my first PBEM game my 8 groups of 4E's first at night reduced the airfield to 100% damaged ..mayne zeros damaged and destroyed .. then during the day at 12,000 feet reduced the Truk fortress to zero .. all the guns destroyed or disabled ...

In my second PBEM game I tried my little night raid at 12,000 feet over Truk.. the flak took 4 aircraft and damaged 4 ..from the first group with results very similar to the rest of the groups .. as small groups flew into flak over the atoll .. not much damage .. I did not repeat this affair but avoided Truk completely while isolating the atoll with submarines ..

Formosa offers some clear terrain bases to land and then pulling off the same maneuver as the IJ did on Singapore .. seize the forts overland ... [8D]

I am still wondering from any of the JFB's if Formosa can sustain itself in terms of supply? Or can this island be isolated? (Well assuming blitzkrieg, rather than the Allies bombing all LI on the island ...)

POW slave labor camp near Taihoku, Formosa. From the Palm Beach Post, September 8, 1945(a)

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2 ... 67,1532732

Palm Beach Post was a nest of racists. [:D]

For a good chuckle Google "Fortres at Taihoku Formosa"

Recommend Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. If you are an Audible subscriber their unabridged version is read by Edward Herrmann.

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

For a good chuckle Google "Fortres at Taihoku Formosa"

SWEEEET LMAO [&o] [&o] [&o]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Recommend Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. If you are an Audible subscriber their unabridged version is read by Edward Herrmann.

Yes. Quite a good tale. My daughter bought it for me for my b'day. Not done yet. Dont tell me how it ends. [:)]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Recommend Unbroken: A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption by Laura Hillenbrand. If you are an Audible subscriber their unabridged version is read by Edward Herrmann.

Yes. Quite a good tale. My daughter bought it for me for my b'day. Not done yet. Dont tell me how it ends. [:)]

I will say that it does not end the way one might think.

When I googled it it led back here![:D]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

When I googled it it led back here![:D]

Wierd, eh? Let's hope some 5th grader isn't doing a presentation on "WWII fortifications in Formosa" and uses the World's Worst AAR for source material. [:D]