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RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:43 pm
by tsimmonds
Another way to look at it: 20 years ago I paid $225 for an unpunched copy of SPIs WitP. I have gotten far better value from the $70 spent on Matrix's WitP than I ever expected to get from the cardboard game.

AE promises to be a substantial improvement, incorporating many improvements that we have been asking/begging/whining for ever since the game came out. I am confident that Matrix will not set a price point that I would consider to be unreasonable, let alone one that would deter me from buying AE at the earliest opportunity.
ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

For me personally...anything over $400 and I would have to do a serious cost benefit analysis. Either that or postpone my next computer upgrade for another year. Under $400 I think my demand is pretty inflexible enough that I would have to buy it. I'd just have to cut back on a few other luxuries. What can I say, I'm a glutton for punishment. [:D]


So you would pay five times as much for an "upgrade package" as you did for the original game? That certainly shows a lot of faith in the new design team. Maybe I should re-phrase the question...

I would indeed if that were the price Matrix asked for. Of course I would hope that it would be cheaper. I thought the question had moved to how much Matrix would be able to get for the game. My apologies for misreading it.
How much would a "reasonable person" consider "within reason" for the AE expansion package?

If you put it that way, I'm not a mind reader (and assume no one else is either) and don't know what others would consider "reasonable". I only know how much is reasonable in my book and I consider myself a "reasonable" person. I assume "reasonable" would, likewise, factor in such things as how much would people be willing to pay for it. If a for profit organization manages to sell something it produces for an incredible profit then I would say more power to them. It simply means that they have found something that others truly value. Maybe other gaming companies will take note and say, "wow, maybe we ought to try to produce something like that too." Then the cost will certainly come down when competitors enter the market. Maybe more companies will focus on turn based strategy games and less of their resources on role playing and personal shooter games. I've been through the gaming isle of more than a few retail stores and have to say that TBS games seem to be pretty few and far between when compared to other games.

I know of no government regulations which say a company is only allowed to sell its product for a marginal profit (but who knows in our society). If a company creates something good then it should be rewarded for it. It should be able to sell it for whatever price it thinks it can get for its product. I know of no regulations which say that everyone should be able to afford a product. Of course that doesn't mean that there is not more profit to be made in making a product affordable by a larger number of people. Also it doesn't mean that a company may decide on its own that it wants to make the product available to more people by marking the price for less than what it could otherwise expect to get for the product.

I can only hope that the proceeds of AE will go in two basic directions:

1. Some of it will go toward further development of a profitable game (ie. WITP II).

2. Some of it will go into the pockets of all those involved in improving the game as a reward for their dedication and commitment.

As for having "faith" in the design team, my faith is that if there are any bugs, the design team will stay true to its record and try to quash whatever bugs appear in further fixes. WITP has an excellent record of support as far as I am concerned.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:28 pm
by Theopolis
I have enjoyed many hours of WITP, but I am not sure I am willing to pay a full game price for and expansion unless they bother to improve the terrible looking fonts in the information pop-up panels.  Sure, the improvements are great, but the game looks dated.  I am wondering why it is such a technical hurdle for them to modernize the graphics.  Year 2008 is upon us, and this game looks ten years old. 

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:32 pm
by wworld7
ORIGINAL: Theopolis

I have enjoyed many hours of WITP, but I am not sure I am willing to pay a full game price for and expansion unless they bother to improve the terrible looking fonts in the information pop-up panels.  Sure, the improvements are great, but the game looks dated.  I am wondering why it is such a technical hurdle for them to modernize the graphics.  Year 2008 is upon us, and this game looks ten years old. 

If we ever get a WITP2 the FONTS hopefully will be improved. Until then we can dream.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:22 am
by JeffroK
My Christmas wish (its Chrissy Eve), is that all those who would probably not be buying Admirals Edition please go somewhere where they are interested.
 
What thrill do you get by posting here?[&:]

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 2:53 am
by witpqs
I posted that hypothetical cost analysis with the thought that maybe some of them just want to be convinced.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:20 pm
by Admiral DadMan
Perhaps we could take up a collection for those who are loathe to part with their brass...[:D]

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 6:54 pm
by okami
I wondering for all those who are worried about the price. If it is a matter of cost ie: you can't afford the $100+. I have the solution or rather the game has the solution. Buy it, don't worry initial about the cost because in the long run you will recoup the cost. And here is how. Hypothetically you have an argument with your wife/girlfriend. So as damage repair you take them out to dinner and a movie or you buy them flowers or jewelry. Here is how WITP AE takes care of this problem and saves you money. Once you start playing you will lose your social life and probably your wife/girlfriend. Thus that argument you would of had never happens and that Diamond Pendant you saw on that DeBeeres commurcial well you won't be buying it. Thus AE has already saved you money. As you no longer have a social life AE saves you even more money on things like Christmas/Birthday presents, gasoline, and air fare to places you would have gone to but now can't seem to find the time. Put plainly AE will save you money so buy it.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:51 am
by Williamb
[left]If we need the original game and if we are only charged the eqivalent of an add on rather than a full price. (Id go as high was $50 but more than that would be a bit much) I can see getting Admiral's edition.[/left][left] [/left][left]If they plan to charge as much as the original I dont think I would get it. A completely revamped game yes and upgraded game no.[/left]

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 2:03 am
by wworld7
ORIGINAL: William Amos

[left]If we need the original game and if we are only charged the eqivalent of an add on rather than a full price. (Id go as high was $50 but more than that would be a bit much) I can see getting Admiral's edition.[/left][left] [/left][left]If they plan to charge as much as the original I dont think I would get it. A completely revamped game yes and upgraded game no.[/left]

Which is what you stated when you started this thread.
Maybe you'll change your thoughts on its value when it actually arrives. Or somewhere down the road it may show up during the Christmas/New Years/Holiday Sale and be at an acceptable price. Everybody WINS!!!

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:49 pm
by crsutton
I have gotten tons of quality playing time with both UV and WITP. My "go to" games for the last five years.
Yeah, count me in.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:18 pm
by TheElf
ORIGINAL: Theopolis

I have enjoyed many hours of WITP, but I am not sure I am willing to pay a full game price for and expansion unless they bother to improve the terrible looking fonts in the information pop-up panels. Sure, the improvements are great, but the game looks dated. I am wondering why it is such a technical hurdle for them to modernize the graphics. Year 2008 is upon us, and this game looks ten years old.

It's mostly due to the fact that this game is not meant to be graphically eye-watering. The real power under the hood is the code that when you think about it elevates 1s and 0s to a point where they can recreate WWII.

Some people don't even use the replays when they play. They just run a turn and read the combat report.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:35 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: TheElf

Some people don't even use the replays when they play. They just run a turn and read the combat report.

Me for one. The animations just eat up life.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:35 pm
by wworld7
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: TheElf

Some people don't even use the replays when they play. They just run a turn and read the combat report.

Me for one. The animations just eat up life.
It is the same with me. There is not enough time in a life to do otherwise.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:48 pm
by Mike Scholl
ORIGINAL: flipperwasirish

ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: TheElf

Some people don't even use the replays when they play. They just run a turn and read the combat report.

Me for one. The animations just eat up life.
It is the same with me. There is not enough time in a life to do otherwise.


I'm another..., the turn re-plays take long enough without them.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:08 am
by bradfordkay
But I can glean information from the replays that you will never get from the combat report (or intelligence screen). Thus I will continue to watch the replays...

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:28 am
by wworld7
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

But I can glean information from the replays that you will never get from the combat report (or intelligence screen). Thus I will continue to watch the replays...

This is true and something that was requested to be changed an AE. If it is great, if it isn't maybe it will be in WITP2.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:21 pm
by Cap Mandrake
Even if it is $80 I will buy it. I spend way more than that on my goddamned cell phone every month and I don't even like talking on the phone.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:30 pm
by Tom Hunter
So this whole thread comes down to:  "I won't be buying because I don't want to spend the money"  Vs. "I will be buying ir because it provides me with really good value."
 
I don't play the game any more, but I think it was great value for me. 
 
Sheesh, if your not going to buy the game that is fine, but why start a thread?[8|]

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:14 pm
by wworld7
ORIGINAL: Tom Hunter

So this whole thread comes down to:  "I won't be buying because I don't want to spend the money"  Vs. "I will be buying ir because it provides me with really good value."

I don't play the game any more, but I think it was great value for me. 

Sheesh, if your not going to buy the game that is fine, but why start a thread?[8|]

You would have to ask William Amos, as he started this thread.

RE: Why I probably wont be buying Admirals Edition

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 10:16 pm
by histgamer
Ill go as high as 100 myself. However if it comes out before June 2nd perhaps a bit higher since i could get it as a Bday gift from the rents.