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ORIGINAL: Froonp

Corrected.
Is the position of the resource still OK (as "Gold"), or should it be moved a few hexes toward Rapid City (love that name), so that it is in the Black Hills ?

Is the resource near Spokane OK as "Lead" ?

-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?

ORIGINAL: Norman42
-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

I only name the place as a reference point, so I think that it is OK.

-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

Good. I moved it west of where you said, so that it is not that close to Rapid City. However, I can't change the terrain for the hex, as there is the river graphic on in (unless Steve tells me that the underlying terrain can be changed regardless of the river graphic). However, the Black Hills seems quite far from real mountains, and there are places on the map where we put forest to simulate rugged terrain not as accidented as a real mountain. So maybe it is goo as it is ?

For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?

Great Idea.
However, it is not on the hex SW, it is in the same hex, as it is in South Dakota as Rapid City, and very close to Rapid City.

We have them all !

Birmingham USA 1 Iron
Cardiff United Kingdom 1 Coal
Chengtu China 1 Coal
Chungking China 2 Coal
Coventry United Kingdom 1 Iron
Essen Germany 1 Coal
Hanoi Indo-China 1 Coal
Hanover Germany 1 Iron
Indianapolis USA 1 Coal
Karaganda USSR 1 Coal
Katowice Poland 1 Coal
Kerch USSR 1 Iron
Kursk USSR 1 Iron
Little Rock USA 1 Bauxite
Louisville USA 1 Coal
Magnitogorsk USSR 1 Iron
Metz France 1 Coal
Ndola Northern Rhodesia 1 Copper
Newcastle Australia 1 Coal
Paramaribo Dutch Guyana 1 Bauxite
Petsamo Finland 1 Nickel
Phoenix USA 1 Copper
Pittsburgh USA 1 Coal
Pola Italy 1 Bauxite
Pretoria South Africa 1 Gold
Saarbrücken Germany 1 Coal
Sian China 1 Coal
Stalinsk USSR 1 Coal
Sudbury Canada 1 Nickel
Tsitsihar Manchuria 1 Gold
Béchar Algeria 1 Coal
Mount Isa Australia 1 Lead
Broken Hill Australia 1 Silver
Clear 127,52 Belgian Congo 1 Diamonds
Clear 53,32 Belgium 1 Phosphates
Mountain 141,321 Bolivia 1 Tin
Clear 141,341 Brazil 1 Bauxite
Clear 110,331 British Guyana 1 Bauxite
Mountain 66,51 Bulgaria 1 Lead
Thetford Mines Canada 1 Asbestos
Rouyn Canada 1 Copper
Forest 52,298 Canada 1 Timber
Mountain 51,276 Canada 1 Mixed
Mountain 158,318 Chile 1 Copper
Mountain 150,319 Chile 1 Copper
Chuquicamata Chile 1 Copper
Haichow China 1 Phosphates
Clear 73,143 China 1 Coal
Clear 86,142 China 1 Antimony
Forest 90,138 China 1 Tin
Desert Mountain 68,141 China 1 Iron
Mountain 72,130 China 1 Iron
San Luis Cuba 1 Manganese
Mountain 75,60 Cyprus 1 Chromium
Forest 54,39 Czechoslovakia 1 Iron
Clear 89,148 Formosa 1 Iron
Clear 55,32 France 1 Iron
Clear 53,30 France 1 Coal
Clear 54,28 France 1 Iron
Clear 56,26 France 1 Iron
Mountain 62,31 France 1 Bauxite
Clear 50,40 Germany 1 Coal
Clear 53,38 Germany 1 Iron
Clear 49,36 Germany 1 Potash
Clear 51,33 Germany 1 Coal
Clear 53,43 Germany 1 Coal
Mountain 71,48 Greece 1 Bauxite
Forest 96,139 Hainan 1 Bauxite
Clear 59,44 Hungary 1 Bauxite
Clear 90,113 India 1 Iron
Yellandu India 1 Coal
Forest 90,106 India 1 Manganese
Mountain 95,110 India 1 Iron
Forest 64,37 Italy 1 Mercury
Mountain 62,33 Italy 1 Zinc
Mountain 62,171 Japan 1 Coal
Mountain 71,154 Korea 1 Iron
Jungle 115,130 Malaya 1 Rubber
Larut Malaya 1 Tin
Mountain 67,145 Manchuria 1 Iron
Mountain 68,151 Manchuria 1 Iron
Clear 86,288 Mexico 1 Coal
Clear 49,33 Netherlands 1 Food
Mountain 142,194 New Caledonia 1 Nickel
Knaben Norway 1 Molybdenum
Mountain 134,318 Peru 1 Antimony
Mountain 101,151 Philippines 1 Gold
Clear 52,45 Poland 1 Iron
Mountain 66,17 Portugal 1 Tungsten
Clear 70,34 Sardinia 1 Coal
Kayes Senegal 1 Iron
Kimberley South Africa 1 Diamonds
Mountain 63,22 Spain 1 Iron
Mountain 71,21 Spain 1 Zinc
Mountain 69,19 Spain 1 Mercury
Mountain 62,18 Spain 1 Tungsten
Gällivare Sweden 2 Iron
Kiruna Sweden 1 Iron
Mountain 71,64 Turkey 1 Chromium
Mountain 72,55 Turkey 1 Chromium
Peoria USA 1 Coal
Clear 64,296 USA 1 Coal
Clear 69,293 USA 1 Coal
Mountain 54,274 USA 1 Lead
Mountain 73,268 USA 1 Mercury
Clear 64,313 USA 1 Coal
Forest 71,307 USA 1 Zinc
Mountain 65,310 USA 1 Coal
Clear 68,305 USA 1 Coal
Forest 72,306 USA 1 Coal
Ironwood USA 1 Iron
Mountain 68,309 USA 1 Coal
Forest 60,286 USA 1 Gold
Mountain 68,284 USA 1 Molybdenum
Mountain 66,278 USA 1 Lead
Mountain 68,271 USA 1 Magnesium
Clear 55,296 USA 1 Iron
Clear 71,299 USA 1 Lead
Clear 52,145 USSR 1 Tin
Clear 51,64 USSR 1 Iron
Clear 43,62 USSR 1 Phosphates
Krivoy Rog USSR 3 Iron
Forest 63,72 USSR 1 Manganese
Forest 39,88 USSR 1 Copper
Suchan USSR 1 Iron
Forest 59,162 USSR 1 Lead
Kokand USSR 1 Sulphur
Stalinabad USSR 1 Coal
Forest 42,87 USSR 1 Phosphates
Mountain 53,160 USSR 1 Coal
Biisk USSR 1 Iron
Forest 63,47 Yugoslavia 1 Copper
Mountain 65,47 Yugoslavia 1 Chromium

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
-The Wallace looks good now, though I wouldn't name it Wallace (Wallace has about 2000 population, it was just a referance point for the area). I'd call it Bitterroot Mines = Lead. That way it encompasses the entire mining region.

I only name the place as a reference point, so I think that it is OK.

-For the Black Hills resource, you are correct, the forest area there is closer to the real location of the Black Hills. My recommendation is this: Move the resource 1hex NW of Rapid City, change that one hex from forest to hills (the Black Hills are very rugged with 2000+ meter peaks). The resource would be Gold.

Good. I moved it west of where you said, so that it is not that close to Rapid City. However, I can't change the terrain for the hex, as there is the river graphic on in (unless Steve tells me that the underlying terrain can be changed regardless of the river graphic). However, the Black Hills seems quite far from real mountains, and there are places on the map where we put forest to simulate rugged terrain not as accidented as a real mountain. So maybe it is goo as it is ?

For fun you could even add "Mount Rushmore" label to the hex South West of Rapid City. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be the Axis capture of Mount Rushmore! Was it completed pre-WW2?

Great Idea.
However, it is not on the hex SW, it is in the same hex, as it is in South Dakota as Rapid City, and very close to Rapid City.

You can change the underlying terrain of non-coastal hexes with no affect bitmaps whatsoever.

Here are the 16 colors available for drawing labels. I could add more but I do not see the point. It is hard enough to tell some of the colors apart already. More subtle distinctions are likely to be impossible to detect.

Most of the color are not being used currently. I have put in a few recommendations (copper = orange, mercury = silver). There are lot of other mineral resources I have not assigned a color.
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// ****************************************************************************
// New colors.
// ****************************************************************************
clLightBlue = $02FFB060; // Add $0200000 to make it a palette color.
clAlmostWhite = $FEFEFE; // Almost pure white, but not quite.
clBrown = $02004080;
clPink = $00A09BEE; // A special color - pink.
// ****************************************************************************
// Colors for map names/labels.
// ****************************************************************************
MWIFStandardColors: array[0..15] of TColor = (
clBlack, // 0 - city, port, and historical site names, coal.
clMaroon, // 1 - country and island names, country borders.
clGreen, // 2 - food.
clOrange, // 3 - copper.
clNavy, // 4 - sea area borders, canal names.
clPurple, // 5 -
clTeal, // 6 -
clSilver, // 7 - mercury.
clGray, // 8 - iron.
clRed, // 9 - objective hex names.
clLime, // 10 -
clYellow, // 11 - sulphur.
clBlue, // 12 - river names (exclusively!).
clFuchsia, // 13 -
clAqua, // 14 -
clWhite); // 15 - weather zone borders, mountain names.

"Mountain 51,276 Canada 1 Mixed"
 
Can we have the predominant mineral named here rather than an uninformative 'Mixed'?

I planned on having the names size 4 (or 3) color black. I'm not sure using varying colors would be a good idea.
I would have liked the text to be not longer that the width of the resource icon, or maybe a little more, only ledgible at very high level of zooms (6-8).

Personally, I think adding different colours to different resource labels is a bit over the top, and will give the impression that they are important.  Just a nice italic in an unusual font (perhaps even 'brush'?) should do the trick ... and then we can get on with something else. 

I agree, the colours are a bit much, a simple (small) label in perhaps italics would suffice.

Marcus: The problem with the Calgary resource is there isnt a predominant mineral there (other then Oil). I would suggest either "Livestock" or "Grain" as these were the main resources of Alberta aside from Oil. Personally, I'd go with Livestock. Gotta feed those GI's.

ORIGINAL: Norman42
I agree, the colours are a bit much, a simple (small) label in perhaps italics would suffice.

Marcus: The problem with the Calgary resource is there isnt a predominant mineral there (other then Oil). I would suggest either "Livestock" or "Grain" as these were the main resources of Alberta aside from Oil. Personally, I'd go with Livestock. Gotta feed those GI's.

Or simply "Food", as for the Netherlands ?

ORIGINAL: Froonp

I planned on having the names size 4 (or 3) color black. I'm not sure using varying colors would be a good idea.
I would have liked the text to be not longer that the width of the resource icon, or maybe a little more, only ledgible at very high level of zooms (6-8).

I think size 4 would be better than 3. If the name is longer than the width of the icon, it won't be that bad. More than half of the resources have labels that are 6 or less characters.

I do not want to change fonts. The one we are using (Verdana) was chosen to have minimal loss of legibility through different levels of zoom. I don't want to go through that again for another font (even if it is only used for zoom 6, 7, and 8).

Italics may or may not work. If you want to do that, then you need to assign a unique color (not used else where) so the program can detect that it is suppose to be italicized - that is how the rivers are done.

I suggested the different colors primarily because of the different terrain backgrounds and wanting something that contrasts better. If we use just one color, that won't be possible. Some backgrounds are light (clear) and other dark (mountains and forest). The point is that we are using a small font with low contrast, which might make the label difficult to read.

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Norman42
I agree, the colours are a bit much, a simple (small) label in perhaps italics would suffice.

Marcus: The problem with the Calgary resource is there isnt a predominant mineral there (other then Oil). I would suggest either "Livestock" or "Grain" as these were the main resources of Alberta aside from Oil. Personally, I'd go with Livestock. Gotta feed those GI's.

Or simply "Food", as for the Netherlands ?

I like "Livestock" personally, that way it covers not just food, but other animal products that were used in war industy, ie Nitrates, Leather, Wool, Glue, Fertilizer, Medical Supplies, and most importantly, Horses... which were used in WW2 by every single nation. The Wehrmact alone used 3 million+ horses throughout the war.

-Little known fact #1: WW2 saw an estimated 17 million horses killed.

-Little known fact #2: The wool linings of every cold-weather flight suit used by Bomber Command was produced by a single Scottish sheep farm that became known as "Lancaster Farms" and was awarded a citation by the British Govt post war.

Could probably use the same "Livestock" term for the Netherlands.

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My brother-in-law started his academic career at Calgary and I well remember him telling me years ago about the famous rodeo there (biggest in the world?).  So, I suggest it is labelled simply 'cattle' as I'm sure that is what most people associate with the place.

But 'livestock' might be better to include horses.

The Netherlands main export was dairy products (milk and especially cheese) so 'livestock' would not be appropriate. I suggested 'Food' just because it is shorter than 'Dairy Products' and it is at a very crowded point of the map.

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
The Netherlands main export was dairy products (milk and especially cheese) so 'livestock' would not be appropriate. I suggested 'Food' just because it is shorter than 'Dairy Products' and it is at a very crowded point of the map.

Pie is even shorter! [:D]

'Dairy' might then be better than 'Food'.

Instead of food how about...

victuals

Main Entry: 1vict·ual
Pronunciation: \ˈvi-təl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English vitaille, victuayle, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin victualia, plural, provisions, victuals, from neuter plural of victualis of nourishment, from Latin victus nourishment, way of living, from vivere to live.
Date: 15th century

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

the famous rodeo there (biggest in the world?). 

The Calgary Stampede.

I've been to a couple. The second one I was at tallied 1.1 million tourists during the 10 day long festivities. Do those cowboys know how to party or what?

ORIGINAL: Mziln

Instead of food how about...

victuals

Main Entry: 1vict·ual
Pronunciation: \ˈvi-təl\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English vitaille, victuayle, from Anglo-French, from Late Latin victualia, plural, provisions, victuals, from neuter plural of victualis of nourishment, from Latin victus nourishment, way of living, from vivere to live.
Date: 15th century

Well, 'victuals' (I have never seen the singular used in print) always makes me think of Daniel Boone in the wilds of Tennessee circa 1700's. Perhaps for a game about the French & Indian War (sorry for the 'misnomer' Patrice) or the American Revolution, but by WW II they were using C-rations.[:)]

Also known as 'vittles' in certain parts of the US Deep South and at least one neighborhood in Beverly Hills [:)]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Well, 'victuals' (I have never seen the singular used in print) always makes me think of Daniel Boone in the wilds of Tennessee circa 1700's. Perhaps for a game about the French & Indian War (sorry for the 'misnomer' Patrice) or the American Revolution, but by WW II they were using C-rations.[:)]

Army Operational Rations - Historical Background

1940 where it was subjected to stern field trials. From that test emerged a range of criticisms: the cans were too large and bulky; the meat lacked variety, was too rich, and contained too many beans. Yet, there was agreement that the new C ration was nutritionally adequate and was "one of the best field rations . . . ever issued to the Army."


But the K Ration was more popular.

The Army quickly noted the success of the new ration with the paratroops and in 1942 the item was adopted for all-service use as Field Ration, Type K.39 The instantaneous success of the ration with attendant popular publicity, was a source of amazement to the developers.