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ORIGINAL: Chad Harrison

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
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All either small or late war, but a lot of modder fodder.

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I am passing time with nothing to do at work and came across Don's comment above.

How much of Eastern fleet(s) shipping is going to be in stock AE's OOB? Or in other words, how many ships are going to show up in stock AE from Europe after Germany's surrender?

I know that the Europe land units made the cut for stock AE, but this is the first I have heard any mention of what will/will not be in as far as post German surrender, ETO ships. Honestly I have no idea what was planned in reality, but I would imagine that a large number of ships would be coming to the Pacific for the upcoming Downfall Operation.

Don's comments above make it sound like they are going to be missing from stock AE. If so, was this to save on database space, or the time to get them in?

Or the fact that like 2 PBEM's have made it into 1945 [:D]

Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

Chad

Lots will be there. I think most of the majors that got assigned to Downfall will show up; Nelson, Anson, the CVs, tons of DDs and CAs, stuff like that.

Lots won't be there also. Reason is we already have 10,000 ships, and adding another 4,000 for the last six months of game time seemed a trifle much. Especially as there wouldn't be anything left afloat for them to fight. But, you will get all the sexy ones.

You know the amount of stuff you guys KNOW about this just boggles the mind of lesser beings like me[&o]

ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: Chad Harrison

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen
. . . snip . . .
All either small or late war, but a lot of modder fodder.

Sorry to dig up an old thread, but I am passing time with nothing to do at work and came across Don's comment above.

How much of Eastern fleet(s) shipping is going to be in stock AE's OOB? Or in other words, how many ships are going to show up in stock AE from Europe after Germany's surrender?

I know that the Europe land units made the cut for stock AE, but this is the first I have heard any mention of what will/will not be in as far as post German surrender, ETO ships. Honestly I have no idea what was planned in reality, but I would imagine that a large number of ships would be coming to the Pacific for the upcoming Downfall Operation.

Don's comments above make it sound like they are going to be missing from stock AE. If so, was this to save on database space, or the time to get them in?

Or the fact that like 2 PBEM's have made it into 1945 [:D]

Thanks in advance and keep up the great work!

Chad

Lots will be there. I think most of the majors that got assigned to Downfall will show up; Nelson, Anson, the CVs, tons of DDs and CAs, stuff like that.

Lots won't be there also. Reason is we already have 10,000 ships, and adding another 4,000 for the last six months of game time seemed a trifle much. Especially as there wouldn't be anything left afloat for them to fight. But, you will get all the sexy ones.

Of course, this is the grand campaign (scenario 1) that John's talking about. For the Downfall scenario, all sorts of stuff can be thrown in... Once I get around to start making it...[:D]

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ORIGINAL: JWE

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
At sea... on land Gilligan was anything but fearless! Luckily that deserted island had a good network of footpaths for him to use when running away from danger...

Ginger, or MaryAnn ?

[edit] Oh gosh ... I should NOT have done that ! If you guys have any mercy whatsoever, please don't go there !

Why choose? [:D]

Hell, Maryann STILL looks good. (even that mug shot)

ORIGINAL: JWE

Lots will be there. I think most of the majors that got assigned to Downfall will show up; Nelson, Anson, the CVs, tons of DDs and CAs, stuff like that.

Lots won't be there also. Reason is we already have 10,000 ships, and adding another 4,000 for the last six months of game time seemed a trifle much. Especially as there wouldn't be anything left afloat for them to fight. But, you will get all the sexy ones.

Thanks for the reply John. Sounds like a perfect balance to me.

Keep up the great work and in case the 50 other comments in this thread didn't get the point across, the new ship art is simply amazing!

Thanks again

Chad

ORIGINAL: Terminus

For the Downfall scenario, all sorts of stuff can be thrown in... Once I get around to start making it...[:D]

If I remember correctly, this scenario is going to be included in an official patch after release right?

Just curious, but what will the dates of the scenario be?

Yummm .. MaryAnn. Concur YH! [8D]

Didn’t mean to sound cavalier about Downfall, hope Termie forgives me. Most of the 4000 ships would be Libertys, Victorys, Park/Forts, Sams, sweepers, sloops, corvettes, those sorts of things.

We do have lots in the box that relates to Downfall. All sorts of Brit warships, down to and including Loch and Bay type frigates, and a bunch of CLs that went back to Blighty for CLAA conversion, that likely would have shown up. Heck, we have Midways, Alaskas, Gearing Mod-1s, etc … You get monster floating docks, and a fleet train that you can organize into a traveling Port-8 + Shipyard, or two to three traveling Port-5 + Shipyards. They are all in the box (data and art). Many show up in the base scenario, but they are all available for use in the Downfall mod.

As to shipping, per se, in the regular scenario, you’ll get darn near all the “amphibious assault” assets the Brits had – Glens, Stars, Empires, Brigades, as well as the late war US assets, P2 and C4 Admiral and General classes of transports. When 12th Army Group shows up in SFO, you will be able to schlep at least an Army at a time.

Don is working on developing the sweepers, sloops, corvettes, frigates, cutters, etc .. to make things more balanced and robust. Needless to say, data and art development follow the scenario designer. Anything that Termie needs for Downfall, he gets.

This is correct. It starts a bit before X-Day for Operation Olympic (11/1/45). I haven't decided how far it'll run yet.

ORIGINAL: JWE

Yummm .. MaryAnn. Concur YH! [8D]

Didn’t mean to sound cavalier about Downfall, hope Termie forgives me. Most of the 4000 ships would be Libertys, Victorys, Park/Forts, Sams, sweepers, sloops, corvettes, those sorts of things.

We do have lots in the box that relates to Downfall. All sorts of Brit warships, down to and including Loch and Bay type frigates, and a bunch of CLs that went back to Blighty for CLAA conversion, that likely would have shown up. Heck, we have Midways, Alaskas, Gearing Mod-1s, etc … You get monster floating docks, and a fleet train that you can organize into a traveling Port-8 + Shipyard, or two to three traveling Port-5 + Shipyards. They are all in the box (data and art). Many show up in the base scenario, but they are all available for use in the Downfall mod.

As to shipping, per se, in the regular scenario, you’ll get darn near all the “amphibious assault” assets the Brits had – Glens, Stars, Empires, Brigades, as well as the late war US assets, P2 and C4 Admiral and General classes of transports. When 12th Army Group shows up in SFO, you will be able to schlep at least an Army at a time.

Don is working on developing the sweepers, sloops, corvettes, frigates, cutters, etc .. to make things more balanced and robust. Needless to say, data and art development follow the scenario designer. Anything that Termie needs for Downfall, he gets.

Canada was to receive a CVL, 2 CL, and a full flotilla of modern "C" class destroyers from the Royal Navy, all for Pacific deployment. They were to be crewed by laying up the convoy escorts that had fought the battle of the Atlantic. The RCN was also to provide 40+ River class frigates for general escort to the British Pacific Fleet and East Indies Fleet. Somewhat more than 40 were in the process of tropicalization when the war ended and a few were already on the west coast.

The British were also transferring very large numbers of modern landing ships and craft, including the British build LST(3) - somewhat faster than LST(2). These were built by the British using different engines when US allocations of LST(2) fell short. Also the big Fairmile Dog boats - MTB/MGB put mostly in MGB configuration. Interesting, but hard to emulate in AE, were the LCG(L). These were modified LCT with two army type 4.7'' guns (and a few light AA). They were not capable of offshore bombardment, but were to be run onto the beach and used as a stationary, instantly available, battery.

The French were also sending along a few more ships. Not too much data on them (help, anyone) but they included at least one more big destroyer, a few colonial sloops, and some escorts/minecraft.

There's also the very interesting German Standard Type "Hansa" ships. Large numbers of these were taken over by the British after Germany surrendered, given Empire names, and sent to the Far East.

And so much more....

John, Don and Terminus
 
Thanks again for all the replies. Personally, I love all the late war stuff, so I am really excited to see all these last minute toys show up in late 1945. Will be really fun to play with them that late in the game! Thanks again for the details.
 
If the Operation Downfall scenario starts November 1st, and would include the planned invasion of Kyushu, and then Tokyo, I would think that around five or six months would be needed to have it really play out nicely. Enough time for the troops to get ashore, and the Japanease played to have ample time to make an attempt to get them out, at each beachhead.
 
Along those same lines, are there any other official scenarios already planned for post release? Downfall is the only one I have heard of.
 
Would love to see ones for the American invasion of the Phillipines.
 
Regardless, keep up the great work and thanks again for the replies!
 
Chad
 
 

At the moment, Downfall is the only post-release scenario we're talking about. I'm doing it because I have the least skill in other post-release activities, so the people who do have those skills can do the important patching stuff.

As for Downfall, the length of the scenario will be dictated by playtesting results. The Aleutian scenario was shortened a bit after playtesting, in order to be more interesting.

Thanks for the reply Termy, and as always, the hard work by the team.
 
The Aleutian campaign is the first one I am playing with, so Im glad you put it together and its getting lots of testing. Its a theatre I have never had to deal with before, so I am curious to see how it plays out. I would imagine that I will not be the only person cutting their AE teeth on the Aleutian scenario.
 
Regardless of the length of the Downfall scenario, I think it will be a great blast to play as few games make it to that point. Late war stuff is fun [:D]

Totally agree with Chad's comment - as an AI only player none of my games get close to  1945, so all those cool end game ships and planes remain unseen. Will be great to get a chance to meddle with all that fun stuff. Good idea to whoever came up with the idea.

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

The French were also sending along a few more ships. Not too much data on them (help, anyone) but they included at least one more big destroyer, a few colonial sloops, and some escorts/minecraft.

This is what i found about them :

October 3rd 1945 in Saigon :
Troops : 1000 mens (5th DIC, Colonial Inf Division)
BB : Richelieu
DD : Le Triomphant
British liners Queen Emma and Princess Beatrix
Motor boat/AM (ex customs) : Directeur général Frezouls, Directeur général Crayssac

From October 15th in Saigon :
Troops : BMEO (Far East Marine Brigade)
CL : Gloire, Suffren
Aviso : Gazelle, Annamite
DD : Le Fantasque,
DE : Sénégalais, Somali
CV : Bearn (as planes and troop transport)
Cargo/Passengers ship: Ville de Strasbourg
AMC : Quercy

From March 6th 1946 in Haiphong
Troops : 20000 mens (9th DIC, half of 2e DB (armored division), BMEO,... )
CV : Béarn (as planes and troop transport)
AMC : Barfleur
Cargo/Passengers ship : Eridan, Lieutenant de Saint Loubert Bié, ... (total 5)
Many LST, LCI, ...
CL : Emile Bertin, Tourville, Duquesne,
Aviso colonial : Savorgnan de Brazza
DD : Le Triomphant, Le Fantasque
Aviso : Chevreuil, Gazelle
DE : Algérien
Oiler : Var

And for the $64,000 question: which French Admiral demanded overall command of all Allied Naval vessels operating the South China Sea.

ORIGINAL: JWE

And for the $64,000 question: which French Admiral demanded overall command of all Allied Naval vessels operating the South China Sea.

All of them?

ORIGINAL: JWE

And for the $64,000 question: which French Admiral demanded overall command of all Allied Naval vessels operating the South China Sea.

Bah! A Frenchman would never be so presumptuous! [8|]

ORIGINAL: JWE

And for the $64,000 question: which French Admiral demanded overall command of all Allied Naval vessels operating the South China Sea.

Don't know. Seems strange to me. Never heard such a thing.

Lord Louie was complaining to London in Aug. 1945 about the FFL gallivanting off to Indochina instead of supporting Zipper/Tiderace, and demanding that all operations past 104 E come under FFL command.

Just wondered who that was. Don’t think D’Argenlieu had quite the rank, at the time. Could have been Muselier, but I just don’t know. Thought somebody out there might.

ORIGINAL: JWE

Lord Louie was complaining to London in Aug. 1945 about the FFL gallivanting off to Indochina instead of supporting Zipper/Tiderace, and demanding that all operations past 104 E come under FFL command.

Just wondered who that was. Don’t think D’Argenlieu had quite the rank, at the time. Could have been Muselier, but I just don’t know. Thought somebody out there might.

Must have been Vice-Admiral Philippe Auboyneau. Muselier was not at good terms with de Gaulle and Auboyneau was in command of French Naval Forces in the Far East (Forces navales d'Extrême-Orient) in 1945.