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RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 1:56 pm
by Tophat1815
ORIGINAL: BigAnorak
The defence of Leningrad is a race against the clock, as a good Axis player can be at the gates of Leningrad in less than 8 turns, so you have to be building a defence line that protects Leningrad's supply lines from turn 2 onwards, to stand any chance of getting lvl4s by the time the Axis arrive. Hexes 83,16 , 83,17 and 82,17 guard the port on the West bank of Lake Ladoga. In my test Pbem with Trey (el hefe) he failed to fortify here, and allowed me to cross the river, get the port, and isolate Leningrad by Turn 13.
83,18 ,84,18 , 84,19 and 85,19 have the main rail line into the city, and should be held for as long as possible.
If your support units can match the Axis support units, then Leningrad can put up a good fight. Upping the AAA will help too, as a good proportion of Axis air losses are from Flak.
Excellent! Those 4 hexes get fort building priority. Might be time to start looking at mobilizing the city populace.
I'm going to gamble and move other threatened industry in the south and central areas before i move Leningrad's.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 2:34 pm
by Grotius
Great AAR!
Er, could I ask a couple newb questons? Which units should be building the forts at Leningrad? Once they start building, they'll keep going even after the fort level increases by one, right? Forts are "fortified regions" for which you're charged Admin Points, right?
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:12 pm
by Tophat1815
ORIGINAL: Grotius
Great AAR!
Er, could I ask a couple newb questons? Which units should be building the forts at Leningrad? Once they start building, they'll keep going even after the fort level increases by one, right? Forts are "fortified regions" for which you're charged Admin Points, right?
Yes and No........
I moved a naval bgde and 2 Rifle divisions into these hexes: 83,18....83,17.....82,17 They will start building fortifications at no admin point cost.
I could build a fortified region....at admin point cost in any of those hexes. But it drains equipment from my forming divisions,costs Admin points and "IS static". So i'd have to disband it to get it out of that hex. Currently I plan to put rifle divisions or brigades in those hexes.....they are mobile and my preference.
If i have misconstrued something please any and all feel free to correct me..
I think I am a bit too pic heavy and thought content/explanation light but it seems to be the way of things so far.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:20 pm
by Tophat1815
I intend to fall back before the Finn's,perhaps not fast enough but I still have units frozen and a decent river line in the north.
My intent is to garrison those hexes on the Finn "NO-GO Line" with NKVD rgts as was suggested to me. Reasons:
1) I need all rifle divisions active against the GERMANS!
2) If I build fortified regions it costs admin points and they need to be disbanded before I can get maximum combat unit density in those hexes to go over to the attack!
3) It's a bloody border/zone and the lousy NKVD pukes are flippin BORDERGUARDS.....so they are naturals.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:25 pm
by Tophat1815
Well thanks to my STAVKA play-tester WITE support group I have some specific targets to fortify:
Hexes: 83,16......83,17......82,17
I had been fortifying the high ground south of Leningrad,where i will still start fighting but I need to keep a supply route open and wait for Mud and winter to school the Reich!
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:30 pm
by Tophat1815
Since moses is taking his time going for Leningrad(famous last words)I have not committed as many divisions as I was intending here. Basically things went to hell southwest of Smolensk and Leningrad got shafted after I allowed 6 divisions to get pocketed around Mogilev.
So if the line is sparse south of the Pskov region......geography and lack of Landers pushing me is the reason.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:33 pm
by Tophat1815
The Hun's haven't pressed this area so I may have somewhat short changed this front,but I really needed the boys elsewhere!
Comments on my dispositions?
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:40 pm
by Tophat1815
Yes sports Fans here is where the game is on! Too bad right now Big Red is points behind but we are only in the first quarter of game one! Alright,enough hokey sports analogies...sheesh!
Yea,I messed-up. I failed to cut off his bridgehead last turn and decided not to compound matters with more fruitless attacks so we fall back.
On the plus side of the equation i have more divisions fill-out and on the way to the front!
Keep in mind those words of ComradeP: "The Reds cannot loose the war in 41' nor can the German win it in 41'"
That has been running through my head all afternoon.
BLurking beware!! ComradeP has given me some strategic clarity when I am the Bosch in our Campaign Game!
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:43 pm
by Tophat1815
The marshes are somewhat akin to flypaper and for the moment I have some boys stuck there. I really want moses to have to send decent Hun formations into this bog after me.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:46 pm
by Tophat1815
This isn't real pretty but we are falling back with some order and under command. Still trying to delay as we can,I really want him to waste into August readying himself to leap forward again!
All industry moved out of Kiev and those cites west of Y.Bug river.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:51 pm
by Tophat1815
Going to lose those pocket troops soon but this turn they should tie-up his forces and inhibit pursuit. One thing moses does is push on after me and i kinda hope he does so here as well,i might have a surprise for him.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:53 pm
by Tophat1815
This is not so pretty but its time for us to leave and maintain frontal integrity. Staying too long just lets the Hun's pocket and eliminate my boys wholesale!
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:31 pm
by ComradeP
Try a bit more of a forward checkerboard in the AGN area, it buys you time. Try to make sure that whenever you place a line somewhere, there's a unit not 1 but 2 hexes behind it, so there's a ZOC protecting the hex in between them. The Germans can overrun a double line, but placing it like that economizes on manpower whilst making it more difficult to overrun.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:35 pm
by Tophat1815
ORIGINAL: ComradeP
Try a bit more of a forward checkerboard in the AGN area, it buys you time. Try to make sure that whenever you place a line somewhere, there's a unit not 1 but 2 hexes behind it, so there's a ZOC protecting the hex in between them. The Germans can overrun a double line, but placing it like that economizes on manpower whilst making it more difficult to overrun.
Will do and thank you. I just realized I wished your opponent good luck in his AAR thread! Oops,sorry if i have now come off as ungrateful!
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:32 pm
by ComradeP
I wished him good luck too, sportsmanship is part of the wargaming experience. Well, it should be anyway.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:30 pm
by kfmiller41
Here Here!! This is the only time war can have sportsmanship[:D] Kick his butt though Top
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:42 pm
by Tophat1815
ORIGINAL: miller41
Here Here!! This is the only time war can have sportsmanship[:D] Kick his butt though Top
I shall try,but I fully expect a serious butt kicking from moses before the tide turns. He may be wintering in Moscow,though he'll probably get only as much joy as Napoleon did.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:54 pm
by Tophat1815
Seems the Finn's will be helping me on my way out of the country. My rifle division didn't hold up as well as I'd hoped,but such is life.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:00 am
by Tophat1815
Still having some brief respite here,though the Pskov front may be a shambles. We did or start to dig as the case may be! I am reading the manual about mobilizing the citizenry to DIG!!!! I need fortifications and I need them in 3 turns time.
RE: Tophat1812(REDS) vs Moses(Krauts and friends)
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:05 am
by Tophat1815
Yes indeed the Pskov area is becoming a nasty neighborhood. This is my first look as I take screen shots and ramble a bit. I need to get creative with a line here,luckily geography will help me out some.
