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I didn't open this thread, you did. Answer the question, answer the question...

But you'll insist it was an innocent reading recommendation. No chance you'll stand by your motives...

The same tactic over and over. Starting a fire and switch to denial, laying smoke and hiding when the fire brigade shows up.

THAT's why neo-fascist agitators have to be confronted early on, don't let the fire get out of control...


edit: hiding, not hinding....

You need to type a little faster or is the person typing for having a hard time keeping up with your sheen type rantings,you can't be typing that takes thinking and doing at the same time.

I'll wait very patiently: Answer the question, answer the question....

This is fun just like playing with my 3 year old grandson.Your ability to interprete continues to amaze me no matter what I say you say its denial.Why ask me a guestion when you've already made up the answer.
Come on was Armstrong really on the moon?

Ok genius I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI{yes you are-no i'm not-yes you are-no i'm not ad nauseum}I have people ask me how i can read anything about the german participation in ww2 because of the holocaust.How would a genius like you answer that question?I'm supposing that you have read or possess books on the german forces in ww2?

Still laying smoke and hiding. Not the moon is the topic, it't about your motives to open this thread about Degrelle.

But I wasn't really expecting an answer anyway...

You having a 3 year old grandson roughly puts you into a generation educated by fascism influenced parents and teachers. Even when evading you add up to the neo agitator profile...

To conclude[hopefully}I sort of resent the term "simple minded wargamer" you use I don't see how a simple minded person can play this game it's fairly complicated really.
By the way I can't find you anywhere on this forum[granted a limited search]are you what they call a troll???

You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

Come on just answer the question genius!!!!!

ORIGINAL: barkorn45
Ok genius I AM NOT A NEO-NAZI{yes you are-no i'm not-yes you are-no i'm not ad nauseum}I have people ask me how i can read anything about the german participation in ww2 because of the holocaust.How would a genius like you answer that question?I'm supposing that you have read or possess books on the german forces in ww2?

Neos hardly ever have the guts to admit it anyway.

The game's topic is dealing with german forces. Your topic was "an unrepentant nazi".

I've had my share of lecture and studies on WWII and the ground laying inhuman philosophies leading to it, and my girlfriend has german relatives who had to live under nazi oppression and flee eastern prussia when the russians came, so I also had and have direct live sources.

My motives dealing with WWII are WHY things happened the way they did. And the holocaust is a main point of why this era should be studied in depth, not just superficially as it happens in so many countries. How many percent of US teenagers didn't know who Hitler was a few years back? 70%?

Military history has it's fascination for me, but that's only a small part of why this era should be understood, memorized and be kept in mind as a warning never to let this stuff happen again... And the consequence of studying the rise of totalitarian regimes is: To confront agitators endangering democracy as soon as they show up.

The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. This must not only be limited to observing government actions, but also for countering threats to 21st century values...

Istill can't find you anywhere but here,are you what whyalterhistory called the thought police of this forum?Hey in another post someone called Rudels book a great read should I point you to it so you can slander and insult him also?
He's got to be a nudging neo-nazi according to your holier than thou stance genius.

I answer your question but the answer did'nt suit you so now i don't have the guts to admit i'm a neo-nazi geez.
You know I think,your a neo-nazi and useing reverse pshycollagy{sorry been up for awhile] to indoctrinate simple minded wargamers to your fascist intent!

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

You answer MY question,if someone saw you reading a book about the german attack on france and scolded you for reading pro nazi literature and how can you read that don't you remember the holocaust.What would be your intelligent responce[sorry i know that intelligent part is a stretch]?

That's the main thing you don't want to admit or can't understand: There is a huge difference between more or less unbiased history literature and "unrepentant nazi" writings... There are more solid history books out there than anyone can (really!) read in a lifetime, so promoting nazi literature has a self-evident motive....

As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.

ORIGINAL: barkorn45

I answer your question but the answer did'nt suit you so now i don't have the guts to admit i'm a neo-nazi geez.
You know I think,your a neo-nazi and useing reverse pshycollagy{sorry been up for awhile] to indoctrinate simple minded wargamers to your fascist intent!

That was a good one. [:D][:D][:D]

*** irony on ***
Yep, reversed psychology really is my tactic. That's exactly what can be read in all my posts warning of neo agitation and inhuman totalitarian ideologies. [:D][:D][:D]

Actually I expect you to confront me with being a pro-semite agitator because of course there never was a holocaust? Of course I am also a commie agitator because I am an obstructor of the neo-nazi anticommunist cruisade? [:D][:D][:D]
*** irony off ***

What does that last sentence mean?As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.

"I have had people criticis me for studying ww2 from the german side with the basic statement I quoted above.
As far as "unbiased literature"I have well over a 1000 books in my collection,all 5 histories of the leibstandarte,all the das reich series by weidinger,all the gross deutchland series,hermann goering panzerkorp,the in action series,atkinsons day of battle and army at dawn[good readable books by the way].
I could go on and on but to what affect.So I chose what I consider a obscure book on the eastern front and ask if anyone read it and you take up a personal vendetta against me because[even though you have'nt read it]it must be pro nazi lit that seeks to gain political absolution for the author[he was a rexist by the way]any political b******t in it was passed over by me because i consider myself a MILITARY HISTORIAN not a political one personal stories interest me.
I apologize for the insults i've given you[sort of]but you will never see that you might be wrong that is self evident by your own words.
But you are conspiracy minded tell me how did Bush do it?

Wow i see you've got spell-check mastered could you school me genius!

Well i have to go to sleep I work for a living 'cause unlike you I'm not sitting in my parents basement typing[or having typed]these posts with one hand down the front of my drawers.
Go trool somewhere else.If i get kicked off this forum for this discussion I will still return to read and learn about this wonderfull game,even though we all know that right behind that german
front the einsatzgruppen are lurking to eliminate the jews and the intelligencia[don't worry as for the latter you'd be safe].To all[except one malignant dwarf]a good nite[:D]

ORIGINAL: barkorn45
What does that last sentence mean?As for german attack on france etc: No nazi rise to power, no world war II with industrialized mass murder of the scale the world had to see, as simple as that.

If the nazis had been kept from power they could not have driven germany down the road to war, mass deportation and extermination camps. There simply was no other powerful political fraction in the Weimar Republic with expansionist warfare on their agenda, communist takeover was no danger in 1932.

ORIGINAL: barkorn45
... As far as "unbiased literature"I have well over a 1000 books in my collection,all 5 histories of the leibstandarte,all the das reich series by weidinger,all the gross deutchland series,hermann goering panzerkorp,the in action series,atkinsons day of battle and army at dawn[good readable books by the way].

... i consider myself a MILITARY HISTORIAN not a political one personal stories interest me.
I apologize for the insults i've given you[sort of]but you will never see that you might be wrong that is self evident by your own words.

Whenever you get me close to move away from my assumption that you are a nazi fan you instantly throw something in my direction that chokes it off again. Why this fascination for the SS outfit Leibstandarte? Why Grossdeutschland which murdered at least 150 captured black african-french soldiers of the Tirailleurs sénégalais during the conquest of france?

To some degree I can understand fascination for army outfits and their exploits during times of war, but why this obsession with SS? If you stare into the Abyss too long, it starts staring back...

If you stick to it that your motiv for this thread was not promotion of an "unrepentant nazi" but just hinting at war experiences on the eastern front, you at least have to agree that you could have chosen a less controversial author. Topics bound to lead into a political minefield simply don't belong to this forum, nothing positive for the game can get out of such a thread.

Firing bombing population centers without military signifigance is, of course, ok since the Allies won. So that's not any kind of war crime nor inhumane right? I mean, they were Japanese and German civilians right? Not like it was a death camp or anything.

I've met a lot of people who consider people who play wargamers as some kind of sick twisted person because they make light of the mass murder that took place. Wargamers make play of the fact that people suffered horribly and died in these conflicts. You can't single out one side and say they were evil and another side and say they were saints. People on both sides commited genocide. It's fact. Those who deny this are the ones you have to worry about.