Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

Gary Grigsby’s War in the East: The German-Soviet War 1941-1945 is a turn-based World War II strategy game stretching across the entire Eastern Front. Gamers can engage in an epic campaign, including division-sized battles with realistic and historical terrain, weather, orders of battle, logistics and combat results.

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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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Around 8 Million .
Manpower pool .

I had 26 tank corps ,but the lead one was allready in Bromberg by turn 60.
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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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I assume its a pbem game. U dont give off much info on the situasion but generally speaking i would say between 7.0m and 8.5m, not more. U can get by on lower and some has too depending on how 41 goes. Again with out knowing more on the general sitasuion i would stop at 8.3m. As it sounds like u had an easy 41. The bigger ity gets the bigger the arms hit when upgrading squads also becomes.
I would make more tank corps tho. Problem is they start at very low moral/exp so if u makea bunch of them u can start to train them up. They're in them selfs not all that powerfull in early 42 but its better to have a cadre of them for later that is alrdy trained up. Note saving save bde doesnt help on the time issue as u take an exp hit on combinbing the bde into tank/mech corps. So time = an issues here. The later u build the less time u have to train. Most say in the region of 20 to 24 tank corps in 42 which around the historic number btw.
note also that inf corps costs more to make in 42 than in 43+. So some puts it off making such to save AP, in particular if in an AP crunch which might not necesarrily be the case in ur game.

Also again depending on the situasion tho if u have 8.3m now it doesnt sound like u had bad 41. In some cases its directly non advisble to make inf corps in 42. As u need around 400 inf div equliant to defend the front. Assuming tho it doesnt sound like the case in ur game. If one combines to much again denpending on how many units u have lost u will have fewer units to defend with. In a defensive situasion in 42 its better to have more divs aka counters to defend with than big one as they if undsupported u just bypassed. If u alrdy started ur offensive then ofc that matters less tho be wary if one gets too complecant things can go bad. It has happened.

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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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It's a PBEM game. Getting to Bromberg with a tank corps on turn 60 was not an option.[:D]

I think my 41 was OK. I lost Leningrad but was able to keep Moscow. In the south my opponent got to Stalino and into the Crimea. During the blizzard I wasn't able to encircle a single unit. Instead I pounded the entire front.

I build a lot of wrong stuff in this game. For example I only build RR construction units in 41 before the blizzard and not sappers. [X(]

I agree that tanks corps are close to useless in 42. I did achieve a breakthrough in the South in July 42 to threaten the Crimea but they were easily routed. I build mostly rifle corps because they give me a chance to counter attack. I have an infantry and cavalry army. Building 20 extra tank corps means 400 AP plus extra AP for support units? And then you also need to build extra tank armies, correct? I do understand what you are saying regarding the training of tanks corps. It will probably haunt me in 43/44.

Regarding the size of my army. Unfortunately, I don't know the exact number of my divisions/corps. Stavka has aprox. 1250 command points attached. I see my army grow by about 100k a turn. With the exception of support units I'm not building new units. Just combining rifle divisions. I will now start building tank corps and see what happens.
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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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Regarding division / corps numbers, you can always use the Commander's Report. Set the filter to infantry or tanks and then division or corps. Then it will show you the exact number.
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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown
During the blizzard I wasn't able to encircle a single unit. Instead I pounded the entire front.

WHAT??? u been voted out of the allowed to play russian side club, sorry Bozo [:'(]
I build a lot of wrong stuff in this game. For example I only build RR construction units in 41 before the blizzard and not sappers. [X(]

Live and learn. i build the wrong stuff in my first game too as russian. U learn from it. I even had a bug where all my SU ran to stavka and i had to put em all back.... i was AP starved in that game.
Yes if u read this MT. It prolly a precursor of what later happen in ur game vs pelton, but it only happened one time in my game so i just let it go and never got saves of it.
I agree that tanks corps are close to useless in 42. I did achieve a breakthrough in the South in July 42 to threaten the Crimea but they were easily routed. I build mostly rifle corps because they give me a chance to counter attack.

Yes well idea as they train up they get better so its a question of hit and run tactics getting wins on the TC. U cant expect them to be hard hitters, no.
Building 20 extra tank corps means 400 AP plus extra AP for support units? And then you also need to build extra tank armies, correct? I do understand what you are saying regarding the training of tanks corps. It will probably haunt me in 43/44.

U dont necesarrily have to build all that (m)any SUs for them. Idea in 42 is too train them. So if u can get in a sucker punch to get wins along with ur inf formations and then run back out of danger. Thats how to use them and as reserves to plug holes if the germans gets on the offensive for real. No u dont have to build tank armies. Some dont build tank armies at all as they only have 15 CP and use inf arimies with 18 CP instead. Having 4 instead of 3 corps in an army.
Personally i use them. No 15 CP isnt much but u get the command bonuses and therefor better chance of MPs = better for my style of play. I can understand it both ways tho. u can argue for and against it and its not clear cut.
Regarding the size of my army. Unfortunately, I don't know the exact number of my divisions/corps. Stavka has aprox. 1250 command points attached. I see my army grow by about 100k a turn. With the exception of support units I'm not building new units. Just combining rifle divisions. I will now start building tank corps and see what happens.

U can always start fiddle with ToE setting of reserves and units not in the front lines. If u set them at 50% they should stop drawing replacements early.(at 50% ToE) That is one way of stopping the army growth or hinder it to some extend. Also in building corps u actually in some way "force" an larger army. As the corps ToE is potentially larger than the parts its build from.

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RE: Why is it non-historical that the Soviets could have run?

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ORIGINAL: Bozo_the_Clown

I agree that tanks corps are close to useless in 42. I did achieve a breakthrough in the South in July 42 to threaten the Crimea but they were easily routed. I build mostly rifle corps because they give me a chance to counter attack. I have an infantry and cavalry army. Building 20 extra tank corps means 400 AP plus extra AP for support units? And then you also need to build extra tank armies, correct? I do understand what you are saying regarding the training of tanks corps. It will probably haunt me in 43/44.

The rifle corps packs more punch but the reason to build tank corps are MP .






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Guard designation or morale importance ...not so much.

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