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Posted: **Thu Nov 28, 2013 9:07 pm**

Posted: **Fri Nov 29, 2013 8:12 pm**

Yak-141 Freestyle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-141

I don't know what the DB policy on "what if" planes is but the Yak-141 was basically stopped by the dissolution of the USSR, not by technical problems, and would be a very fascinating what if.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 1:52 am**

Pohang-class corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pohang-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... combatcor/

Already existed in DB3K?

#143 - PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II]
#2256 - PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II]

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:33 am**

ORIGINAL: fool12342000

Pohang-class corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pohang-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... combatcor/

Already existed in DB3K?

#143 - PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II]
#2256 - PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II]

I think you're right...I was searching for "Pohang" instead of "Po hang" and that's probably why I missed it.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:31 pm**

Some corrections for Finland.

Facilities (coastal artillery) - should be building (static) not mobile:
#223 254 mm Coastal Fort

Check: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3482851

Also these radars are all static, can you change them to buildings too:

#889 - Radar (KEVA 2D)
#888 - Radar (KEVA HF)
#1561 - Radar (VRRVI)
#1518 - Radar (VRRVY) - should be HF-radar not 3D-radar (reported earlier in this thread)
#1241 - Radar (TRS 2230) - This is mixed up with TRS 2215. The TRS 2230, is a stationary.

- - -

2010 Finland Navy replaced older FIKA coastal radars. Not sure how to find performance for new radars, but if it can be added it would be great:

NE-18045-X (fixed radar)

The 21035-X-antenna is ideal for use in shore based traffic monitoring and surveillance systems. This is achieved by using an antenna with narrow beamwidth (0.35°), large antenna gain (37 dBi) and fast rotation speed.

http://www.navielektro.fi/18045-Navielektro.pdf

NE-PRA3000

The PRA3000 Light series antenna is ideal for use in shore based traffic monitoring and surveillance systems. The antenna is designed to be a compact package with maximum gain. This has proven to be an ideal solution for gap filling purposes or medium range surveillance. Navielektro has currently deployed the unit in question at locations in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Africa.

http://www.navielektro.fi/PRA3000-Navielektro.pdf

Thank You!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:25 pm**

ORIGINAL: rytech

Wondering if the Generic Forward Air Controller could be equipped with a laser designator to mark targets for aircraft (there are ones specific to France and the US that are equipped with laser designators, but the generic one isn't)

Added the following:

Inf Sec (Forward Air Controller [Laser Designator]) -- Generic (Army)

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:35 pm**

ORIGINAL: El Savior

US Ballistic Early Warning radars have been mixed up.

AN/FPS-123 is actually radar used The Clear, Alaska - Not AN/FPS-126.
AN/FPS-126 is radar used by RAF Fylingdales - Not AN/FPS-123.

This have huge impact, because AN/FPS-126 is using three phased radar faces instead of two faces on AN/FPS-123

http://www.radomes.org/museum/equip/fps-115.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_ ... ing_System

Oops [8D] Fixed, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:39 pm**

ORIGINAL: El Savior

There seems to be a minor error in Finland radar database:

#1518 Radar VRRVY - was HF radar for main radar VRRVI not 3D radar as it's now in database. This was Finnish made radar from 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MoRsE/Radars

- - -

Can we get AN/MPQ-64 F1 Improved Sentinel 3D X-band radar for Finland?

http://www.thalesraytheon.com/fileadmin ... l_2011.pdf
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/fin ... ems-05398/

Both done. The latter as part of NASAMS II.

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:47 pm**

ORIGINAL: El Savior

Some corrections for Finland.

Facilities (coastal artillery) - should be building (static) not mobile:
#223 254 mm Coastal Fort

Check: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3482851

Also these radars are all static, can you change them to buildings too:

#889 - Radar (KEVA 2D)
#888 - Radar (KEVA HF)
#1561 - Radar (VRRVI)
#1518 - Radar (VRRVY) - should be HF-radar not 3D-radar (reported earlier in this thread)
#1241 - Radar (TRS 2230) - This is mixed up with TRS 2215. The TRS 2230, is a stationary.

- - -

2010 Finland Navy replaced older FIKA coastal radars. Not sure how to find performance for new radars, but if it can be added it would be great:

NE-18045-X (fixed radar)

The 21035-X-antenna is ideal for use in shore based traffic monitoring and surveillance systems. This is achieved by using an antenna with narrow beamwidth (0.35°), large antenna gain (37 dBi) and fast rotation speed.

http://www.navielektro.fi/18045-Navielektro.pdf

NE-PRA3000

The PRA3000 Light series antenna is ideal for use in shore based traffic monitoring and surveillance systems. The antenna is designed to be a compact package with maximum gain. This has proven to be an ideal solution for gap filling purposes or medium range surveillance. Navielektro has currently deployed the unit in question at locations in Finland, Norway, Sweden and Africa.

http://www.navielektro.fi/PRA3000-Navielektro.pdf

Thank You!

Added both:

Radar (18045X) -- Finland (Navy), 2011, FIKA Replacement
Radar (PRA3000) -- Finland (Navy), 2011, FIKA Replacement

Will leave it up to you to create an INST file where these are plotted [8D]

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:48 pm**

ORIGINAL: JCR

Yak-141 Freestyle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yak-141

I don't know what the DB policy on "what if" planes is but the Yak-141 was basically stopped by the dissolution of the USSR, not by technical problems, and would be a very fascinating what if.

Added request, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 6:58 pm**

Thanks, have registered all of these on me [8D]

As pointed out, Po Hang class is already there:

PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II] -- South Korea (Navy), 1985, Exocet
PCC 756 Po Hang [Flight II] -- South Korea (Navy), 1990, Exocet

Recently added the Buyan and Buyan Mod as well:

MRK Buyan [Pr.21630 Buyan] -- Russia [1992-] (Navy), 2007
MRK Buyan Mod [Pr.21631] -- Russia [1992-] (Navy), 2014

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

A few more suggestions, possibly repeating some from another thread, but I figured it was best to make sure they were posted here, too.

Car Nicobar Class Fast Attack Craft
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Car_Nicobar_Class
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... ack-craft/

Buyan-class corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buyan-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... 30-russia/

Cape-class patrol boat (Australia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape-class_patrol_boat
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... rol-boats/

Gumdoksuri-class patrol vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gumdoksuri ... rol_vessel
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... umdoksuri/

Baynunah Class Corvettes
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/baynunah/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baynunah-class_corvette

Type 26 Global Combat Ship
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Combat_Ship
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... ogramme/[b]

Amazonas-class corvette[/b]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazonas-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... l-vessels/

Khareef-class corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khareef-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/khareef-class/

Knud Rasmussen-class patrol vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knud_Rasmu ... rol_vessel
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... sen-class/

French patrol vessel L'Adroit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_pat ... L%27Adroit
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... ol-vessel/

M80 Stiletto
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/m80-stiletto/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M80_Stiletto

Pohang-class corvette
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pohang-class_corvette
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... combatcor/

POVZEE Offshore Patrol Vessel
http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/povzee/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guaiquer%C ... atrol_boat

Holland Class Offshore Patrol Vessels
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... asspatrol/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland-cl ... ol_vessels

Saettia MK4, Diciotti Class Patrol Vessel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diciotti-c ... rol_vessel
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... -diciotti/

Go Jun Bong Class LST
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... class-lst/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Jun_Bong-class_LST

Makassar Class Landing Platform Dock
http://www.naval-technology.com/project ... orm-docks/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makassar-c ... tform_dock

Thanks for considering these!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:00 pm**

ORIGINAL: mercho

Hello everyone,

it would be nice if the german frigate f125 could be included to the database.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/F125 (sorry only in german, but on the english wiki sensors and radars are not listed)

thank you !!!

Assigned to me, will be added when time allows. If needed for a scenario please let me know and I'll add it asap.

Thanks! [8D]

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:13 pm**

Thanks. Have made some adjustments as per your info. Have a couple of questions/comments:

Is the Sonac/PTA TASS even fitted? Some sources say the ship has provision only, and that it is not carried operationally.

I'll let scenario designers add mines to the Hamina class themselves, if needed. Fair?

Several sources mention EOMS from SAGEM. Where on the ship is this system located, and what it is used for? I'm assuming Ceros-200 is the primary fire control sensor, so why EOMS?

ORIGINAL: El Savior

Finland Hamina-class is without SONAR and ASW-weapons:

The sonar suite includes a Simrad Subsea Toadfish active high-frequency search and attack sonar, and a Sonac/PTA towed array sonar. Not sure which model it is, but it can be added same Toadfish sonar in Rauma-class SS2400 Toadfish.
1 ×  rail for depth charges or mines (depth charges are normal load)
1 x Sonac/PTA towed array sonar

Also speed for Hamina is 30+ knots. I know that they can go much faster with their state of the art water propulsion jet. Adding few knots wont do bad. True high speed is classified, but 35 knots can be easily achieved. Older Rauma class can go at least 35 knots too, which Hamina replaced.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/haminaclass/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamina-class_missile_boat

Hämeenmaa minelayer is without mines. From 2009+ new mine can be added: Sea Mine 2000 - bottom, Acoustic & target Discrimination. Older version use bottom mines.
4 × rails for 100-150 mines

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%A4mee ... _minelayer

Thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:23 pm**

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Minor issues I spotted...

#1475 Civilian Motor Yacht [38 m] is listed as only 3 tons and 1 DP? That seems very low when the 13-meter yacht is listed as 10 tons.

#1379 Civilian Sailboat [38 m]...ummm...I'm not sure but the wrong picture may be linked to that record...I'm pretty sure that's not what a 38-m sailboat looks like.

Fixed, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:26 pm**

ORIGINAL: fool12342000

"AK-100 100mm/59" -> "AK-100 100mm/70"

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNRussi ... _ak100.htm

Updated, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:28 pm**

ORIGINAL: MR_BURNS2

Unimportant minor typo, RQ-4B Global Hawk Block 10-30 listed under US Army instead of USAF.

Fixed, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 7:36 pm**

ORIGINAL: Baloogan

Minor minor typo for loadouts for the F-111C Aardvark AUP Raptor vs Popeye

Fixed, thanks!

Posted: **Sat Nov 30, 2013 8:05 pm**

ORIGINAL: El Savior

There seems to be a minor error in Finland radar database:

#1518 Radar VRRVY - was HF radar for main radar VRRVI not 3D radar as it's now in database. This was Finnish made radar from 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MoRsE/Radars

VRRVY could be used both as a 2D and as a HF radar:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... inland.jpg

Each radar station had either a VRRVI (Pohjanpalo 1) 2D radar or a VRRVY (Pohjanpalo 2). Pohjanpalo 2 could be used for GCI. Therefore I think it's best if this radar is implemented as 3D.

Posted: **Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:45 am**

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Is the Sonac/PTA TASS even fitted? Some sources say the ship has provision only, and that it is not carried operationally.

Several sources mention EOMS from SAGEM. Where on the ship is this system located, and what it is used for? I'm assuming Ceros-200 is the primary fire control sensor, so why EOMS?

Sonac/PTA - 50 meters long towed array. Surely not all had this, it was added provision only like you said. Can scenario maker add "general towed array" to simulate it? This of course is much shorter version than ocean versions. Sources say very little about it. Only that is was used in (one?) Helsinki-class 2002, I have a picture of it but no name for the ship is included. I haven't seen any picture where is it actually used by Hamina.

EOMS - EOMS is a multifunction optronic system, unique of its kind. Designed for surface vessels, it combines infrared search and track (IRST) with electro-optical gun fire control in a single unit. It is a highly effective solution for self-protection against symmetrical and asymmetrical, surface or air threats. - See more at: http://www.sagem-ds.com/spip.php?rubriq ... 2LPNL.dpuf

I believe it's here in the picture (Hamina-class) pointing stern. It seems Ceros-200 is pointing forward and EOMS pointing backward.

FNS Pori (83) Hamina-class

Same EOMS-sensor is fitted in Hämeenlinna-class

Hämeenlinna-class minelayer fitted with EOMS

Croatian Vukovar, Helsinki-class. Not sure is this EOMS, but if it is it also pointing stern.

Hope this helps.

Posted: **Sun Dec 01, 2013 5:01 am**

ORIGINAL: Jakob Wedman

ORIGINAL: El Savior

There seems to be a minor error in Finland radar database:

#1518 Radar VRRVY - was HF radar for main radar VRRVI not 3D radar as it's now in database. This was Finnish made radar from 1956.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:MoRsE/Radars

VRRVY could be used both as a 2D and as a HF radar:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File: ... inland.jpg

Each radar station had either a VRRVI (Pohjanpalo 1) 2D radar or a VRRVY (Pohjanpalo 2). Pohjanpalo 2 could be used for GCI. Therefore I think it's best if this radar is implemented as 3D.

Restored, thanks Jakob! [&o]

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