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RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:43 pm
by oaltinyay
ORIGINAL: Annagil
some Gorizia's in my CA forces that can take a punch
That didn't help them much at Matapan, sadly. Most accounts state they did last less than 5 minutes under point blank fire from the 15 inches of 3 BBs...
what exactly can survive that is a wonder...beautiful ships though....
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:47 pm
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: oaltinyay
ORIGINAL: Annagil
some Gorizia's in my CA forces that can take a punch
That didn't help them much at Matapan, sadly. Most accounts state they did last less than 5 minutes under point blank fire from the 15 inches of 3 BBs...
what exactly can survive that is a wonder...beautiful ships though....
warspite1
The Zara's were fine looking ships and useful too. As you say, I don't think we can blame them for not being able to survive the assault they were subjected to.....
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 5:51 pm
by oaltinyay
American DD and DEs off Samar from Taffy 3 seem to have done better though...but maybe they had the advantage of being far lightly armored....
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:05 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Silver Spring, MD near DC. Born in Georgia but this is my home. Ten years as a merchant seaman with the Seafarers Union. Started as a messboy and was a third officer when I quit. Been a realtor for 30 years now. Been playing war games ever since I found the old Avalon Hill Gettysburg (square hexes) in my dad's closet. (Next to the Playboys). That's about it.
Oh, almost forgot. Won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1980 as well as the gold medal in the 1,500 meter run in the Moscow Olympics that same year. That was an especially good year for me.
warspite1
Wow - talented individual. Out of interest, which country were you running for at those games - and how did that obvious fraudster Sebastian Coe get away with claiming he'd won the 1,500?
Well, the US team of course. But I seem to have been the only American there in Moscow that year. It was strange. They put me up in a cheap hotel instead of the Olympic Village and had me run my race solo at a local high school track. Then they told me that my time was the best and that because of the embargo they had run out of gold so that was why my medal was made of wood. I treasured that gold medal until the day I lost it when by "accident" my wife threw it onto the fire....
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 6:59 pm
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Silver Spring, MD near DC. Born in Georgia but this is my home. Ten years as a merchant seaman with the Seafarers Union. Started as a messboy and was a third officer when I quit. Been a realtor for 30 years now. Been playing war games ever since I found the old Avalon Hill Gettysburg (square hexes) in my dad's closet. (Next to the Playboys). That's about it.
Oh, almost forgot. Won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1980 as well as the gold medal in the 1,500 meter run in the Moscow Olympics that same year. That was an especially good year for me.
warspite1
ORIGINAL: warspite1
Wow - talented individual. Out of interest, which country were you running for at those games - and how did that obvious fraudster Sebastian Coe get away with claiming he'd won the 1,500?
Also impressive that the two winners of the Nobel prize for Physics that year were Americans and the US boycotted those games. You must by James Cronin who was 48 that year. Val Logsdon Fitch died in February of this year. Unless you are Fitch and also undead. [:D]
Bill
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:12 pm
by rogueusmc
Hey now Bill...some folks wanna remain anonymous on the internets and here ya are giving full names!!!
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2015 11:53 pm
by wdolson
It's public record
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:25 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: crsutton
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Silver Spring, MD near DC. Born in Georgia but this is my home. Ten years as a merchant seaman with the Seafarers Union. Started as a messboy and was a third officer when I quit. Been a realtor for 30 years now. Been playing war games ever since I found the old Avalon Hill Gettysburg (square hexes) in my dad's closet. (Next to the Playboys). That's about it.
Oh, almost forgot. Won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1980 as well as the gold medal in the 1,500 meter run in the Moscow Olympics that same year. That was an especially good year for me.
warspite1
Wow - talented individual. Out of interest, which country were you running for at those games - and how did that obvious fraudster Sebastian Coe get away with claiming he'd won the 1,500?
Well, the US team of course. But I seem to have been the only American there in Moscow that year. It was strange. They put me up in a cheap hotel instead of the Olympic Village and had me run my race solo at a local high school track. Then they told me that my time was the best and that because of the embargo they had run out of gold so that was why my medal was made of wood. I treasured that gold medal until the day I lost it when by "accident" my wife threw it onto the fire....
warspite1
Yes, that is why I asked [:)]
Listen, its a great story and you were clearly the true 1,500 metre champ that year (Seb Coe? Who?) - and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Have you thought of writing to the IOC to see if you can get that gold medal replaced?
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:51 am
by n01487477
Born in the UK but raised and educated mostly in Australia. My parents had a healthy view of travelling and so for the last 15 years I have been working and travelling using I.T and education as the gateway to foreign lands.
Been in Busan, Sth.Korea for the last 9 years as I can take 5 months vacation a year(not that I do) and work for a low oversight Uni where I can run my own programs in Eng.Lit, Education and a bit of I.T (all taught in English). I just can't bring myself to go back to the 9-5 grind of Australia.
These days I sail regularly on a VAN DE STADT CARIBBEAN 40 with a mixed ex-pat and Korean crew. Going to eventually get my full skippers licence, buy a blue water boat and sail around a bit.
Joined this forum in '06 but had been lurking on the witp forum for a few years before that. Have been AFK on these forums for a bit but have loaded up a fresh copy of the game and am relearning that which I have lost.
Cheers
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:21 am
by LargeSlowTarget
ORIGINAL: oaltinyay
ORIGINAL: Annagil
some Gorizia's in my CA forces that can take a punch
That didn't help them much at Matapan, sadly. Most accounts state they did last less than 5 minutes under point blank fire from the 15 inches of 3 BBs...
what exactly can survive that is a wonder...beautiful ships though....
Why, the Bismarck did (even against 16 inchers). Everybody knows she was scuttled, not sunk!

RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 5:48 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
ORIGINAL: oaltinyay
ORIGINAL: Annagil
That didn't help them much at Matapan, sadly. Most accounts state they did last less than 5 minutes under point blank fire from the 15 inches of 3 BBs...
what exactly can survive that is a wonder...beautiful ships though....
Why, the Bismarck did (even against 16 inchers). Everybody knows she was scuttled, not sunk!
warspite1
Do you think that Bismarck's armour may have been a tad thicker than the Italian Zaras and that their armour was not designed to survive a point-blank pounding from His Majesties (or anybody else's) finest? Just a thought [;)]
Re the scuttling / sinking sloblocks.
HM battleships Rodney and KGV battered her into a burning hulk, beyond repair
before she sank. That is a fact.
The "real smart people" ignore that and then say that Bismarck was scuttled by her crew and that, as a result, there is no glory and honour for the RN - and any glory and honour from that encounter goes to the German ship..... (Yep - that comment has actually been made on these forums [X(]).
Quite so. In the same way those "real smart people" don't seem to twig that by applying the same rules - the Battle of Midway was a stunning IJN victory!
Funny old game eh? [:)]
P.S By the way, how dare you bring up a non-PTO subject in this forum LST - you should be banned! [:D]
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:06 am
by LargeSlowTarget
Funny that the reflexes of the "OPFOR" are the same, whether a Germans says she was scuttled or a British says she was sunk [;)].
Concerning the subject - we have at least one mod that brings the KM into the Pacific (with or without Bismarck), so there you go [:'(].
But I'm afraid we are taking the thread too far OT here.
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:15 am
by warspite1
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Funny that the reflexes of the "OPFOR" are the same, whether a Germans says she was scuttled or a British says she was sunk [;)].
Concerning the subject - we have at least one mod that brings the KM into the Pacific (with or without Bismarck), so there you go [:'(].
But I'm afraid we are taking the thread too far OT here.
warspite1
Just to be clear - and in all seriousness for a minute - I genuinely couldn't care less whether the Bismarck's crew scuttled the ship or she was sunk through torpedo, or she was holed by shells below the waterline or
any combination thereof. It is totally meaningless.
Because whatever caused the German battleship to finally disappear beneath the waves does not alter the fact that she was beaten beyond hope long before that happened (and frankly, even if she wasn't she was still put in a situation where the Germans thought they had to scuttle her). The British had to sink her and she was sunk. End of.
I cannot imagine any American is crying in his soup at the thought that their navy aircraft didn't actually
sink the Japanese carriers at Midway for the same reason. By the time the Japanese scuttled their ships, they were long past being of any use to anyone. The Americans had to sink them and they were sunk. End of.
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:03 am
by LargeSlowTarget
Yep, end result is what matters.
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:58 pm
by crsutton
ORIGINAL: wdolson
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Silver Spring, MD near DC. Born in Georgia but this is my home. Ten years as a merchant seaman with the Seafarers Union. Started as a messboy and was a third officer when I quit. Been a realtor for 30 years now. Been playing war games ever since I found the old Avalon Hill Gettysburg (square hexes) in my dad's closet. (Next to the Playboys). That's about it.
Oh, almost forgot. Won the Nobel Prize in physics in 1980 as well as the gold medal in the 1,500 meter run in the Moscow Olympics that same year. That was an especially good year for me.
warspite1
ORIGINAL: warspite1
Wow - talented individual. Out of interest, which country were you running for at those games - and how did that obvious fraudster Sebastian Coe get away with claiming he'd won the 1,500?
Also impressive that the two winners of the Nobel prize for Physics that year were Americans and the US boycotted those games. You must by James Cronin who was 48 that year. Val Logsdon Fitch died in February of this year. Unless you are Fitch and also undead. [:D]
Bill
Yes, I remember that those two guys got mentioned for something or another. Can't exactly remember what they did but I won the prize that year for figuring out a formula for butter that would not stick to the ceilings of middle school cafeterias when schoolboys throw them. It has been my life's work. Not that I want to brag or bring attention to myself but I also donated the $16.32 in prize money that I received to charity. One would think that I should have won for chemistry that year but they told me it was physics or nothing..
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 4:17 pm
by oaltinyay
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Funny that the reflexes of the "OPFOR" are the same, whether a Germans says she was scuttled or a British says she was sunk [;)].
Concerning the subject - we have at least one mod that brings the KM into the Pacific (with or without Bismarck), so there you go [:'(].
But I'm afraid we are taking the thread too far OT here.
OPFOR Says :it was NOT a goal in '66 !

for any football fans here..
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:36 pm
by rustysi
ORIGINAL: warspite1
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Funny that the reflexes of the "OPFOR" are the same, whether a Germans says she was scuttled or a British says she was sunk [;)].
Concerning the subject - we have at least one mod that brings the KM into the Pacific (with or without Bismarck), so there you go [:'(].
But I'm afraid we are taking the thread too far OT here.
warspite1
Just to be clear - and in all seriousness for a minute - I genuinely couldn't care less whether the Bismarck's crew scuttled the ship or she was sunk through torpedo, or she was holed by shells below the waterline or
any combination thereof. It is totally meaningless.
Because whatever caused the German battleship to finally disappear beneath the waves does not alter the fact that she was beaten beyond hope long before that happened (and frankly, even if she wasn't she was still put in a situation where the Germans thought they had to scuttle her). The British had to sink her and she was sunk. End of.
I cannot imagine any American is crying in his soup at the thought that their navy aircraft didn't actually
sink the Japanese carriers at Midway for the same reason. By the time the Japanese scuttled their ships, they were long past being of any use to anyone. The Americans had to sink them and they were sunk. End of.
Sums it up... Ya think.[:'(]
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 1:07 am
by wdolson
ORIGINAL: crsutton
Yes, I remember that those two guys got mentioned for something or another. Can't exactly remember what they did but I won the prize that year for figuring out a formula for butter that would not stick to the ceilings of middle school cafeterias when schoolboys throw them. It has been my life's work. Not that I want to brag or bring attention to myself but I also donated the $16.32 in prize money that I received to charity. One would think that I should have won for chemistry that year but they told me it was physics or nothing..
So you won an Ignobel...
http://www.improbable.com/ig/
Bill
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:47 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: LargeSlowTarget
Funny that the reflexes of the "OPFOR" are the same, whether a Germans says she was scuttled or a British says she was sunk [;)].
Well, everyone knows that scuttling salvages 10% of the VPs otherwise lost during a non-scuttling sinking, so I see this issue as remarkably germane.
[;)]
RE: Roll Call Thread Addition
Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2015 10:43 am
by Odin
Damn...i never missed a roll call[X(]
Germany, Ruhr area, Wanne-Eickel.
Born in 1973.
Served with signal troops in german army 1995-1996, still some reserve activity.