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ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

Am I reading this right, have you lost 3 cruisers and something like 27 destroyers?? Axis air power was not capable of this kind of effectiveness at this point in the war. I wonder about naval power in this game, between this AAR and Warspite's AAR on the desert campaign, it seems naval/air and naval/ground interactions are substantially out of whack.

ORIGINAL: devoncop

ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

Am I reading this right, have you lost 3 cruisers and something like 27 destroyers?? Axis air power was not capable of this kind of effectiveness at this point in the war. I wonder about naval power in this game, between this AAR and Warspite's AAR on the desert campaign, it seems naval/air and naval/ground interactions are substantially out of whack.

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I would not be so sure about things being out of kilter. As Warspites opponent in the CFNA I can't see his AAR for obvious reasons so don't know what his views are but the damage my ground troops took from his naval bombardments were my own fault for not utilising the Luftwaffe properly early enough. This was my first campaign playing TOAW IV and I am making a lot of mistakes.

The eventual effectiveness of the JU87s seems to have negated the naval power v land forces issue in our game. A post mortem will no doubt discuss whether it would have been possible for Warspite to protect his fleet differently but I would not judge the game mechanics on the experience of 2 novice players.

As far as this scenario is concerned do the allies have all available fighters and fighter bombers on air superiority missions to maximise Luftwaffe losses? Also having ships away from mutually supporting stacks ...particularly smaller destroyers makes them much more vulnerable. When I tried a second hard strike against stacks containing battleships and heavy cruisers I had much less success.

ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

Am I reading this right, have you lost 3 cruisers and something like 27 destroyers?? Axis air power was not capable of this kind of effectiveness at this point in the war. I wonder about naval power in this game, between this AAR and Warspite's AAR on the desert campaign, it seems naval/air and naval/ground interactions are substantially out of whack.

ORIGINAL: devoncop

You are still ahead of schedule so Patton looking down (or up) wherever he is now ...would be happy.

The air assistant is lethally bad imo. Both myself and Warspite noticed it would routinely change aircraft assignments each turn with no logic. If nothing else it should be prioritising air superiority with your Navy active over and interdiction as the Axis are barely moving.

ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

Am I reading this right, have you lost 3 cruisers and something like 27 destroyers?? Axis air power was not capable of this kind of effectiveness at this point in the war. I wonder about naval power in this game, between this AAR and Warspite's AAR on the desert campaign, it seems naval/air and naval/ground interactions are substantially out of whack.

ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay

ORIGINAL: ChuckBerger

Am I reading this right, have you lost 3 cruisers and something like 27 destroyers?? Axis air power was not capable of this kind of effectiveness at this point in the war. I wonder about naval power in this game, between this AAR and Warspite's AAR on the desert campaign, it seems naval/air and naval/ground interactions are substantially out of whack.

This scenario probably has never had its Naval AD adjusted yet.

Nevertheless, it is a wargame: Players can make completely different choices with their forces than the historical participants.

ORIGINAL: devoncop

Many thanks for this fascinating AAR/history lesson !

Really enjoyed following it.

Ian

ORIGINAL: MikeJ19

Great job and thanks for the history lesson. What are you doing next?