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ORIGINAL: rkr1958

ORIGINAL: AcePylut

This is the best, most accurate review, of the movie I've seen...

https://youtu.be/IM7C3_UVdBA

For me the most "accurate" review is by the folks that were there, or the folks who knew well the folks that were there.

http://www.midway42.org/Backissues/2019/20191001.aspx

Interesting that near the bottom of the linked page one of the respondents, Chuck Wholrab, mentions that he plays War In the Pacific by Matrix. Not clear whether he means the original or the AE version of the game, but a nice link between our forum and the Midway Round Table.

ORIGINAL: fcooke

I really need to get Steel Panthers or Close Combat working again.....

SPWAW works with the "enhanced" version on Windows 7 I have it installed....I played A LOT of this game. Tigers need to stand off and pick targets from a far. There were even some orders from "Inspekteur der Panzertruppen" (which was Guderian at this time), basically saying to the crews do not rely on the Tigers armor, instead it should be treated like any other AFV...

Played also lots of PBMs - the turns are ofc a lot faster - I was always happy when my opponent played Germany and relied on Tigers overall or Panthers front armor too much and exposed these tanks. There are enough weapons in the Allied/Soviet arsenals to take these out with side shots (there is only a window in 43 when you can risk such action imho). I rarely bouhgt Tigers when playing Ger I rather would buy 2 STUG w/ 75mm/L48 for example for the price. However there was quirk in the game which could not modell STUG type vehicles - they could turn like a turret...

See this video "How to fight Tigers - Tactics & Weaknesses"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gyv7VTXvAfw

I found this quite good moddeled in Steel Panthers...

Bump for Anachro's digestion. [8D]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Bump for Anachro's digestion. [8D]

Or indigestion, as the case may be! [;)]

We are divided in twain. There are the Purists and the Pragmatists. The Purists insist on realism. The Pragmatists are glad to get whatever they can, within reason. The Purists say, "Don't do it if you can't do it right." The Pragmatists say "Do something halfway decent so that our cups can be half full, at the least." The Purists can't stomach Zeros flying at street level blowing up battleships. The Pragmatists are glad for a movie depicting Essex class carriers properly even if the aeronautics are wonky. The Purists pine for Gettysburg and Schindler's List and Letters from Iwo Jima. The pragmatists are glad to have period films rather than endless Marvel and Star Wars remakes - anything (within reason) will do and occasionally we'll get a Gettysburg, Schindler's List or Letters from Iwo Jima.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

We are divided in twain. There are the Purists and the Pragmatists. The Purists insist on realism. The Pragmatists are glad to get whatever they can, within reason. The Purists say, "Don't do it if you can't do it right." The Pragmatists say "Do something halfway decent so that our cups can be half full, at the least." The Purists can't stomach Zeros flying at street level blowing up battleships. The Pragmatists are glad for a movie depicting Essex class carriers properly even if the aeronautics are wonky. The Purists pine for Gettysburg and Schindler's List and Letters from Iwo Jima. The pragmatists are glad to have period films rather than endless Marvel and Star Wars remakes - anything (within reason) will do and occasionally we'll get a Gettysburg, Schindler's List or Letters from Iwo Jima.

My whole thing is this.... the actual battle, and combat scenes I've seen from gun-camera films... and realistic flight / tactics / aa /etc. is and of itself - has enough of all the "good movie" elements, that you DONT HAVE to 'create something that isn't right".

How "dramatic" would it be for this scene to be shown in the movie...

Leslie gets down and low in his Devastator, ready for his torp run, we are looking at the plane from a 3rd person view, in front of and slightly above the plane. For this scene, the camera never leaves or changes view. This is one continuous shot that takes about 1 minute or two of screen time. His rear gunner shouts out "ZERO".... just as a zero comes into view, perhaps a mile behind Leslie (or so), we hold the camera on Leslie as the zero slowly moves into range... music builds the tension... the actors show every increasing fear and dread as the Zero closes.. the audience is left to wonder "will they live will they die"... Leslie shouts "shoot that mofo down"... the rear seat gunner opens fire at the Zero - we get "realistic bullets" arcing out at the Zero... the Zero dodges and continues in. Rear seat gunner re-adjusts aim.. more tension/fear/dread... the gunner fires again.... misses... the Zero gets into range and opens up. realistic bullets reach out to the TBD... a few "plinks" as the Zero's 7.7's hit the wings... Leslie very skillfully controls the plane... shouts out "torpedo run" (or whatever) and his fear leaves him, he focuses in with rage on his "torpedo sight"... the Zero moves back into gun range (with REALISTIC flight dynamics)... Leslie is focused on his torp run. The rear seat gunner and the Zero open up at the same time. We see the rear seat gunner bullets go flying off in a random direction as the camera pans around the plane every so slightly to show that the Zero killed the rear gunner. Leslie continues on... the zero opens up with it's cannons... the flaps are hit, the ailerons are hit... Leslie pulls back from the torp sight in "fear" of his death. He knows he's a dead man, he's afraid, sad, whatever. The zero fires another burst, smoke pours out of the engine (not some magical explosion)...the TBD wheels over and crashes into the ocean as the camera continues pulling away from the splash at the same speed the TBD was going.... We see a wider view of the squadron's run. T he planes are spaced out properly (not all bunched together wingtip to wingtip) as we see other TBD's, some on fire, some smoking, one or two crashing into the ocean... Sad music plays...


But instead, we get "star wars 1942" and there's no need for it. But I still liked the movie, because I had no expectations for it. I came to this realization when I compared "300" to "Troy" from about 15 years ago. I hated Troy because it wasn't "homer" and I expected pure history. I loved "300" because I expected cartoon fun based on King Leonidas and didn't expect to see pure history. So there's that.

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
The Pragmatists are glad for a movie depicting Essex class carriers properly even if the aeronautics are wonky.

What movie would that have been in? The carriers in the movie Midway were decidedly non-Essex class CVs.

Should you make a third category then? Purist pragmatists? [&:]