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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:44 am
by ElvisJJonesRambo
ORIGINAL: Marcinos1985

Looking at it I must say, It's psychologically extremely hard to play Allies in this game. You take such a beating, way bigger in real life and in theaters you wouldn't expect to. And you probalby have one chance to change it whole game, if Axis parries your invasion, then it's GG.
There was an argument on this forum, that Axis should be weaker, but their in game performance should be measured against real life events, e.g if they don't lose Berlin before V 1945 it's an accomplishement. But game would have to be reworked to make it viable.

I wouldn't be so sure of this :) Yes, the Allies can be depressing, examples:

1) Poland/LowCountries/France: Against an average player, not much you can do to stop it.
2) Fighting Wolfpack of U-boats: Royal Navy and suicide French can certainly battle against (and vs Italians)
3) The Rommel + Super Tank in Egypt, yes, this can be demoralizing.
4) Russia, yeah, you're gonna get pounded. But you won't lose everything, Winter is your friend.

The toughest part play the Allies, you gotta have some decent supply for ground battles. You cannot expect to blast Nazis on their dirt of the Earth w/o supply and their experience. The American dollar bill will change things.

Keep your chin up, kid.
-Legend

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:07 am
by Marcinos1985
@ElvisJJonesRambo I can understand German bashing, but this Japanese multidimensional expansion is both impressive and absurd at the same time.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:22 am
by John B.
I have to say that it is quite impressive the Japan seems to be able to do what it wants, whenever it wants.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:46 pm
by pjg100
Thanks for the AAR, I enjoy reading it over my morning coffee. Based on my (limited) PBEM experience I disagree that the Allies are a lost cause. I think the game is currently fairly well balanced. A strong Axis player will crush France in mid-1940, overrun much of western Russia in 1941, slap the Chinese around at will through mid-1941 and run riot in the western Pacific through mid-1942. But that's not the whole game. The Axis have to make hard choices regarding where to allocate their limited resources; the Chinese and Russians have to make the same hard choices early on. The Allies have the luxury of time, US resources and the unsinkable aircraft carrier (the UK). Those advantages typically suffice to begin to turn the tide by mid-1943. This game is a little unbalanced by what has happened in China, but I will be curious to see what Sveint is able to do with all those tanks and other units he has been buying.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:10 pm
by sveint
Sorry guys, I'm not discouraged at all. I've been down this road many times (on both sides).
As has zzmzzm. We both now know that it's a race between the USSR collapsing and the Allies
liberating Paris.

To have any decent chance of winning we need to liberate Paris in 1943, a year ahead of historical!

I very much enjoy my games against zzmzzm. He specifically asked me to come back to SCWaW for
this one. I agreed because I really wanted to write an Allied AAR to showcase how virtually all
my latest games have gone. China and USSR crushed, the US ignoring Japan to throw everything at France.

As a bonus zzmzzm is mixing things up in this game with quite some investment in his u-boat fleet.
It was surprising and refreshing and is causing quite some trouble for the UK.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:13 pm
by sveint
ORIGINAL: pjg100

the unsinkable aircraft carrier (the UK)

When I play the Axis my latest move (with 100% success rate so far) is to do Sealion in spring 1942!
Pull back air and paratroopers during the winter, and you're good to go.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:36 pm
by sveint
22 May 1942

Germany takes Voronezh, Soviets lose 2 corps and a paratrooper.

India receives an HQ, an army and a corps. They invest in Anti-Aircraft Defense.
India's limited objective is the oil fields at Yenangyuang.



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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:45 pm
by sveint
The Soviets are forced to send units to the east.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:46 pm
by sveint
Much like China, the strategy now is to delay the Axis as long as possible.

That's an impressive array of panzers!

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:51 pm
by sveint
The Soviets rebuy a garrison, a corps and a paratrooper.
They buy a new anti-tank and anti-air.

The Leningrad front is static, no Axis units to be seen.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:56 pm
by sveint
MacArthur arrives in Australia and immediately sails for Europe.

The UK should be able to easily deal with what remains of the Italian empire.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:59 pm
by eightroomofelixir
But if China and USSR does collapse in 1942-43, there will be nothing much the Americans can do. SCWaW in this sense seems to favor Mackinder's Heartland Theory. (Also, besides Eurasia, North Africa is another important theater for Allies.)

As sveint states, the game is now a race between the Soviet collapsing and the liberation of Paris, the Allies don't have much luxury of time if the Soviets and Chinese took too much heavy beating early on.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:01 pm
by sveint
The US declares war on Germany and 2 DDs attack 2 u-boats, sadly taking 5 step
losses to 4 inflicted. Another u-boat and DD is nearby so this may not end well
for those destroyers.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:06 pm
by pjg100
ORIGINAL: sveint

ORIGINAL: pjg100

the unsinkable aircraft carrier (the UK)

When I play the Axis my latest move (with 100% success rate so far) is to do Sealion in spring 1942!
Pull back air and paratroopers during the winter, and you're good to go.


I have considered doing that but so far never tried it - perhaps I will next time I PBEM!

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:16 pm
by sveint
The rest of the US Atlantic Fleet is in port upgrading.

The US researches Heavy Bombers and Long Range Aircraft.
They buy an escort carrier.

It's a frustrating month for the UK as they fail to find any Axis
naval units at sea. They invest in Industrial Technology.

But in good news they only lose the income from Egypt and 18 MPPs from Canada to raiding.
The supplies to the USSR all go through.

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 3:41 pm
by Marcinos1985
Could you provide unit count for main countries?

RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:45 pm
by sveint
19 June 1942

The Soviets lose 2 corps and an army. The US loses a DD in the Atlantic,
to our surprise there is a German BB on the scene.



Unit counts. Not a pretty picture.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:51 pm
by sveint
Japan makes a surprise appearance at Ledo. India moves to defend.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:58 pm
by sveint
The Soviets fall back. Even local counter-attacks are out of the question
as our units are completely outmatched.

We rebuy a corps and an army.

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RE: zzmzzm (Axis) vs sveint (Allies)

Posted: Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:05 pm
by sveint
The US transfers units from the West to East coast. Mexican units garrison the West coast.
The US buys 3 destroyers (I was hoping to avoid this).

The UK finds the CC Scharnhorst and the CA Prinz Eugen off Petsamo. They are reduced to
1 step and 2 steps left.



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