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ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: el cid again
New Caledonia is a critical resource center - the only significant source of Antimony in the world for the Allies - and lots of other vital minerals. It was given NO resource points in stock. Andrew won't give it what it should have because resource centers generate supply points. What's up with that? I can feed an army, an air force and a fleet off raw rubber, I guess.

Precisely! That is what irks me about the supply/resource model the most. The tying of supply generation to resource centres makes no sense, and prevents the accurate depiction of things such as this - the value of New Caledonia and its mineral resources. Same for Nauru, and yes, even Toboali.

Andrew

Okay, I for one have never had much a problem with the supply/resource linkage, at least so that radical 'supply sinks' were needed to cure the problem.

In the case of New Caledonia, they exported some food stuff also, primarily canned beef.

New Caledonia is indeed a significant food producer - particularly of cattle - and it could produce a lot of things. But what it could not do is support a modern army, air force and navy - even today. The problem with the linkage of supplies and resources is that they rob all strategic meaning from shipping. You do not have much need to move resources and oil to industrial centers - which turn them into supplies and food - which you then have to move to almost everywhere else. So the bulk of your shipping has no actual mission - and becomes (quoting Joe Wilkerson on this very topic) "AKs to burn" - you can risk losses and mount invasions not possible IRL.

I do not have a problem with a place producing SOME local supplies - and I accept our abstract model turns them into vacuum tubes, gasoline - whatever you need. But to produce gigantic amounts of supplies when you really produce gigantic amounts of resources is pure nonsense and a hopeless distortion. I carefully insure every place gets local production represented - and if there are no resources but there are supplies - I create them anyway.

Supply sinks were intended as a temporary workaround - until Matrix corrects this fundamental problem. But they turned out to have other functions so useful I bet we will keep them even when not needed for their original mission: eat excess supply. They permit us to give fixed civil assets a home - e.g. the ground support elements of small civil air organizations which were used but which were not mobile in a military sense for a minor case - and the civil defense/industrial resistence of an area in a major sense. Dutch miners and refinery and oil field and plantation operators did all sorts of things to render things useless for a while - and this was not a function of sending military units or engineers to the location. Supply sinks insure no minor force - even a platoon- can take a gigantic resource area undamaged.

It's a good thing you don't have, and never will have, any sort of influence on WitP development...

ORIGINAL: Terminus

It's a good thing you don't have, and never will have, any sort of influence on WitP development...

Your constant attacks on El Cid are petty, cowardly and quite frankly childish. Prehaps its time a Mod stepped in to put a stop to it...............

ORIGINAL: Mac67

ORIGINAL: Terminus

It's a good thing you don't have, and never will have, any sort of influence on WitP development...

Your constant attacks on El Cid are petty, cowardly and quite frankly childish. Prehaps its time a Mod stepped in to put a stop to it...............

[:-] And how would you characterize your own attacks, eh?

A public service [;)]

ORIGINAL: Sequoia

So is it safe to assume that "Carrier Force" is what 2x3 is doing now and that any WitP II will wait until that project is complete?

No.

ORIGINAL: Mac67

A public service [;)]

I think you mean "A public nuisance" ...
[8|]

ORIGINAL: UniformYankee

ORIGINAL: Mac67

A public service [;)]

I think you mean "A public nuisance" ...
[8|]

Well, apparently only for you. But, hey, if you want to be my "public" you are welcome! [;)]

ORIGINAL: UniformYankee

ORIGINAL: Mac67

A public service [;)]

I think you mean "A public nuisance" ...
[8|]

The little green button next to one of its posts will ignore it for good.

The green button is for wimps. [:D]

ORIGINAL: Mac67

The green button is for wimps. [:D]

And Mac's !!

[:D]

Well you cannot seem to bring yourself to use it. Mynok will be so disappointed! [:-]

ORIGINAL: Mac67

Well you cannot seem to bring yourself to use it. Mynok will be so disappointed! [:-]

No green bootawns for UF ... but you're wrong ... Mynok will not be disappointed. Not at all.

Someone has to defend the community .. the mods won't ... so others must step up to the plate ... your attacks are unwelcome to this community. You have no useful purpose. Either shape up or ship out pal.

ORIGINAL: UniformYankee

ORIGINAL: Mac67

Well you cannot seem to bring yourself to use it. Mynok will be so disappointed! [:-]

No green bootawns for UF ... but you're wrong ... Mynok will not be disappointed. Not at all.

Someone has to defend the community .. the mods won't ... so others must step up to the plate ... your attacks are unwelcome to this community. You have no useful purpose. Either shape up or ship out pal.

Funny. Thats the same opinion I had about Terminus and his constant sniping [8|]. As I mentioned in The Thread, if you want to take this any further with me, then you know where to find me. Of course if you dont have the cojones for it, I understand [;)]

ORIGINAL: Mac67

ORIGINAL: UniformYankee

ORIGINAL: Mac67

Well you cannot seem to bring yourself to use it. Mynok will be so disappointed! [:-]

No green bootawns for UF ... but you're wrong ... Mynok will not be disappointed. Not at all.

Someone has to defend the community .. the mods won't ... so others must step up to the plate ... your attacks are unwelcome to this community. You have no useful purpose. Either shape up or ship out pal.

Funny. Thats the same opinion I had about Terminus and his constant sniping [8|]. As I mentioned in The Thread, if you want to take this any further with me, then you know where to find me. Of course if you dont have the cojones for it, I understand [;)]

If you have any cojones then go for it pal ...

Show us what you've got!
[:D]