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those other eagles (is the short verison)

Those Other Eagles - Yes. Again Shores has done a great job, a must for anyone researching pilots careers. Especially the lesser known ones.
 
I've been going through these books systematically looking for pilots relevant to BTR so I can work out relative exp (that list of 1600+ pilots I sent you a couple of years back contained many taken from these books) but it takes time. I started on Aces High about 8 years ago and between Aces High I/II & Those Other Eagles I've about 110 bios that I'm interested in left to enter in my database).
 
I can't help but think we're duplicating effort here. As you know pilots careers is what I'm really interested in and am happy to research them, so it would free you up to concentrate in other areas.

Shaggy, just in case, the names I know, I am editing and filling it in as you post them

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Shaggy, just in case, the names I know, I am editing and filling it in as you post them

Hi Sarge,

I realise you are entering them as I post them and you will probably find pilots I'll miss and vice versa, but I thought if I concentrate on researching pilots careers it would free you up to concentrate on other higher priority stuff (testing, project management etc) and save you a fortune in the process.

Officers with 5.(F)/122 as of 01Aug40
 
Pilots (definite)
 
Hptm Böhm, Herbert (St.Kap.); Exp 80-90
Lt Hellermann, Meinulf; Exp 65-75
Lt Jerz, Hans; Exp 60-70
Lt Quel, Robert; Exp 65-75
 
Either pilots or observers
 
Oblt? Guse, Max; Exp 75-85
Lt Hurck, Karl; Exp 65-75
Lt Krause, Bernhard; Exp 75-85
Oblt Vleuten, Hanns van; Exp 75-85
Lt Vukitz, Manfred; Exp 65-75

Kewl

should have a update for you guys later today, trying to finish my stuff up before I upload it

okay, I have added the first set to 1/5 and the 2nd set to 2/5 ?

Shaggy

brothers in 175

is it

Greville-Morgan
or
Greville-Moran

156 Sqn

F/L Anset, D.C. Douglas C DFC
P/O Coldham, P.A. Peter A. DFC/Bar
F/L Cook, A.S. Arthur S. DFC
F/L Fawcett, R.E. Rowland E. DFC
F/S Fry, F.J. Francis J.
F/O Lutz, A.M. Alan M. DFC
F/L Mandeno, G.L. Graham L. DFC/Bar, DSO
S/L Manfield, N.R. Nelson R. DFC. MID
F/L McGrath, A.L. Athol L. DFC
P/O Overton, L.W. Leonard W. DFC/Bar
F/O Prichard, J.E. John C.
W/O Rose, ??? Walter H. DFC
F/S Slade, H.F. Herbert F. DSO, DFC BS
P/O Sloper, J.L. John L. DFC/Bar
F/S Stephens, T.G. Trevor G. DFM
P/O Stewart, R.G.F. Ronald G.F. DFC
F/S Stimpson, ??? Maurice C. DFC
F/L Thompson, J.F. John F. DFC
F/L Vincent, P.R. Peter R. DFC
W/C White, John H. (2nd Deputy Master Bomber)John H. DFC
F/O Wright, J.L. John L. DFC, DSO
S/L Young, R.E. Ralph E. DFC, DSO

Also looks like

George Denwood DFC

SL George F. Grant DFC, DSO

FO William T. Timperley DFC

were also part of the Squadron, but did not fly on the raid

Andrew B.W. Illius joined the Squadron on 8/22/43, KIA 8/24/43

they flew two missions

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Also looks like

George Denwood DFC

SL George F. Grant DFC, DSO

FO William T. Timperley DFC

were also part of the Squadron, but did not fly on the raid

George Denwood was certainly with the Sqn late Jul43, no info on the other two with 156 Sqn.

I got both of the other two flying missions before the 17th and after the 17th with 156, so i think they are there at the start

bit of a hassle with the way they moved pilots around

some during the middle of there tour, others after the tour and rest and some right out of school

ORIGINAL: von Shagmeister

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Also looks like

George Denwood DFC

SL George F. Grant DFC, DSO 23 missions, flown between 4/18/43-10/8/43

FO William T. Timperley DFC 18 missions, flown between 6/24/43-10/20/43

were also part of the Squadron, but did not fly on the raid

George Denwood was certainly with the Sqn late Jul43, no info on the other two with 156 Sqn.

Pilots with 156 Sqn should all be experienced as it was part of 8 Grp. I would of thought any pilots mentioned as coming from schools to this Sqn would be coming off a spell instructing or off a refresher course.
 
As for the RAF in general, some pilots moved Sqns regularly, not like the USAAF where a whole tour was normally with the same unit. Might have something to do with the frequency the RAF moved Sqns from sector to sector and wanting pilots in the first half of their tours to stay in front line sectors.

I seeing a number of Sgt and crew right from School, I thought the Pathfinders was a 2nd tour job

I am getting the background of a few of these guys, duty stations and such, and some of them are right from school, and as you say, others after the first tour go on to be teachers and then come back to active duty

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

I seeing a number of Sgt and crew right from School, I thought the Pathfinders was a 2nd tour job

I am getting the background of a few of these guys, duty stations and such, and some of them are right from school, and as you say, others after the first tour go on to be teachers and then come back to active duty

In theory all pathfinders should have completed one tour though it practice it was quite common for crews well into their first tour to transfer to pathfinders.

I presume your getting the 156 Sqn data from http://www.156squadron.com/ and the info is taken straight from the ORB so it must be accurate (as written). The 156 Sqn data I posted above (in the personnel lists) was taken from the 156 Sqn ORB for 17Aug43 only. I haven't got round to checking the site for the raids a few days either side to complete the Sqn roster.

It's a pity there isn't a web site like 156 Sqn's for all units, it would make filling out the Sqns/units a lot easier.

Having not had a proper look at the site yet what are the schools mentioned that the replacement pilots come from?

OTU, HTC ?

yea it is a great site, a lot of work into it

the mission rosters are the best

you can pick one pilot and then trace his history, keep getting side tracked

541 Sqn
 
Rank; Name; Suggested exp (based on known bio data)
 
F/L[font="times new roman"] [/font]Brew, James Robert (Flt Cdr); Exp 80
F/O Burniat, Paul G.; Exp 75
Sgt Campbell, J.R.; Exp 65
F/S Campbell, K.G.; Exp 70
F/L Crakenthorp, G.R. (Flt Cdr); Exp 90
S/L Fairhurst, E.A. "Tim" (C/O); Exp 90
F/O Gheude, Serge L.E.G.; Exp 75
F/O Glover, A.; Exp 80
Sgt Gorrill (Gorill?), V.I.; Exp 75
Sgt Gravenstede, D.; Exp 60
F/S Hill, D.G.; Exp 75
F/O Hunter, G.C.D.; Exp 75
Sgt Lavender, A.; Exp 70
F/S Mackie, R.E.; Exp 70
P/O Myles, John R.; Exp 80
F/O Platts, George; Exp 80
 

I had a couple of them

also

I get James Russell Campbell KIA with 541

I get a Geoffrey Colin Davas Hunter killed in 44 with 544 (a CC squadron ????)(it is HARD to follow, but 544 was also a recon unit, so it may of been a simi detached Recon for CC and others ????)

do you have a s number for him ? [font="tahoma"]126596 could of been tour expired and then went CC ???

Kewl found a pilot for 268 while looking around
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