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Chelsea 1 - 2 Sunderland

Sunderland? Who's Sunderland? "He" sure delivers

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Chelsea 1 - 2 Sunderland

Sunderland? Who's Sunderland? "He" sure delivers

warspite1

Why are you wetting your pants over this? I mean, don't get me wrong, Chelsea losing at home to Sunderland is quite funny [:D], as is Mourinho's pathetic post match interview which had all the class and sophistication we have come to expect [:-]. Hopefully he will get in trouble with the Premier League for this ridiculous outburst

But the "He sure delivers" rubbish? It's one result, and the kind of result every manager - yes even every truly great manager like Mourinho - will have many times in their careers.

All the talk is that David Moyes will go today or tomorrow..... So much for giving him time.

Football is a stupid game anyway.

So it's definitely "Moyes OUT!".

And tonight The Bus Derby (aka first semi-final)!

Atlético de Madrid Bus v1.0 vs Chelsea Bus v7.01

The question is will Simeone outbus Mourinho?

ORIGINAL: warspite1

All the talk is that David Moyes will go today or tomorrow..... So much for giving him time.

Watched Chelsea park the bus in Madrid. And they got the 0-0 match they wanted.

While I agree that it might be boring to watch it, I think it takes skill from the manager to park that bus so well that it blocks all attempts from Madrid to score.

ORIGINAL: Orm

Watched Chelsea park the bus in Madrid. And they got the 0-0 match they wanted.

While I agree that it might be boring to watch it, I think it takes skill from the manager to park that bus so well that it blocks all attempts from Madrid to score.

I am pretty certain they wanted 0 - 1 [;)]

0 - 0 is dangerous for Chelsea now. Scoring away is a must in this competition. It's close to a knock out. Soooo... if Atlético scores at Stamford Bridge... Chelsea might be in deep trouble Because a second goal might follow a first goal... And that's game over.

As for these cheap tactics, my view is totally opposite. These are the tactics used by small teams. Period. Mourinho is more successful because he's got great players... whilst the small teams which use these tactics (to survive, never forget it) have much less skilled players. Ergo, that's why Mourinho (or any other coach doing this) can be more successful... than the small teams he is emulating.

There's no glory in here. Only a small man using small teams tactics. No one will ever convince me that this clown is a genius.

My prediction for the rest of the competition.

Bayern and Atletico will make it to the final. And Bayern will be the champion [8D]

Fulham Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

A two goal lead blown..... [:@][:-]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Fulham Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

A two goal lead blown..... [:@][:-]

Why do you care about this match?







Not that I really care because football is a stupid game anyway.

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Fulham Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

A two goal lead blown..... [:@][:-]

Why do you care about this match?

Not that I really care because football is a stupid game anyway.

warspite1

I was born in Hammersmith so Fulham was my local club and the first team I saw play live (vs Blackburn Rovers in the mid 70's). My late brother was one of the few in the Warspite family that did not go down the Tottenham route (he was a season ticket holder at Fulham) and he took me and one of my other brothers to see them. Fulham are like Charlton Athletic (my current local club) - they are a small club, not threatening, but really likeable. The Fulham FA Cup run of 1975 was a real highlight as a kid - sadly they lost the final 2-0 to West Ham United.

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: Orm

Watched Chelsea park the bus in Madrid. And they got the 0-0 match they wanted.

While I agree that it might be boring to watch it, I think it takes skill from the manager to park that bus so well that it blocks all attempts from Madrid to score.

I am pretty certain they wanted 0 - 1 [;)]

0 - 0 is dangerous for Chelsea now. Scoring away is a must in this competition. It's close to a knock out. Soooo... if Atlético scores at Stamford Bridge... Chelsea might be in deep trouble Because a second goal might follow a first goal... And that's game over.

As for these cheap tactics, my view is totally opposite. These are the tactics used by small teams. Period. Mourinho is more successful because he's got great players... whilst the small teams which use these tactics (to survive, never forget it) have much less skilled players. Ergo, that's why Mourinho (or any other coach doing this) can be more successful... than the small teams he is emulating.

There's no glory in here. Only a small man using small teams tactics. No one will ever convince me that this clown is a genius.

Chelsea and Mourinho might have wanted to win this match by 10 to nothing for all I know. But judging by how they played I say they wanted a 0-0 match.

I would not be surprised if Chelsea begun the return match the same way. Stonewalling and not even really attempting to attack.

They stonewalled when they won the Champions League Trophy 2012. I remember the trainer, Roberto Di Matteo, being asked if he thought it was good football to stonewall a final. He ended the interview by walking away without a further comment. I thought it was a great result, Bayern Munich being beat again in a final and at home in their own stadium. I just love it when a german team loses.

At the end of the day no one really asks how a title was won, only that it was won. Not only football.

Mat

ORIGINAL: british exil

At the end of the day no one really asks how a title was won, only that it was won. Not only football.

Mat

Today at Old Trafford (new coach, Giggs) supporters chanted "attack attack attack". Barcelona supporters would never allow their rich team (players) to sit back like small teams. They would torch the stadium if they were served this cheap meal [;)]

In the 90s Real Madrid supporters booed their own team. YES, they were winning 1 - 0 or 0 - 1. The coach was sacked precisely because of this poor football display or anti-football. And YES, he was victorious. And yet they appointed Mourinho one decade later. Goes to show they were desperate. They were (Barcelona supremacy has to end).

These are historical heavy weights. The nouveaux riches (ie Chelsea) may accept these meals. It's what you have to expect from those who never tasted greatness before.

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: british exil

At the end of the day no one really asks how a title was won, only that it was won. Not only football.

Mat

Today at Old Trafford (new coach, Giggs) supporters chanted "attack attack attack". Barcelona supporters would never allow their rich team (players) to sit back like small teams. They would torch the stadium if they were served this cheap meal [;)]

In the 90s Real Madrid supporters booed their own team. YES, they were winning 1 - 0 or 0 - 1. The coach was sacked precisely because of this poor football display or anti-football. And YES, he was victorious. And yet they appointed Mourinho one decade later. Goes to show they were desperate. They were (Barcelona supremacy has to end).

These are historical heavy weights. The nouveaux riches (ie Chelsea) may accept these meals. It's what you have to expect from those who never tasted greatness before.

That Barcelona supporters has that attitude just show that they have won a lot of titles recently. I find it more interesting to ask a rich team that has won no title for, say 20 years, if they prefer their team to win titles with a defensive play style or if they prefer them to play fun attacking football but without any titles won.

ORIGINAL: Orm

ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

ORIGINAL: british exil

At the end of the day no one really asks how a title was won, only that it was won. Not only football.

Mat

Today at Old Trafford (new coach, Giggs) supporters chanted "attack attack attack". Barcelona supporters would never allow their rich team (players) to sit back like small teams. They would torch the stadium if they were served this cheap meal [;)]

In the 90s Real Madrid supporters booed their own team. YES, they were winning 1 - 0 or 0 - 1. The coach was sacked precisely because of this poor football display or anti-football. And YES, he was victorious. And yet they appointed Mourinho one decade later. Goes to show they were desperate. They were (Barcelona supremacy has to end).

These are historical heavy weights. The nouveaux riches (ie Chelsea) may accept these meals. It's what you have to expect from those who never tasted greatness before.

That Barcelona supporters has that attitude just show that they have won a lot of titles recently. I find it more interesting to ask a rich team that has won no title for, say 20 years, if they prefer their team to win titles with a defensive play style or if they prefer them to play fun attacking football but without any titles won.

warspite1

Exactly. Give me a whole season of 1-0 wins, and parking the bus. I will take that if it means we win a trophy....

ORIGINAL: Orm
I find it more interesting to ask a rich team that has won no title for, say 20 years, if they prefer their team to win titles with a defensive play style or if they prefer them to play fun attacking football but without any titles won.

The question is perverse [:)]

Nothing in this world guarantees you titles. Ugly football included. Again: Mourinho had the richest Real Madrid in history and only got a miserable league title (out of six possible BIG titles, Champions Leagues included) in his three years in charge. And winning that *single* league is not precisely an epic victory.

In the end most fans will think "so that's how we splashed out big big big money..? To play like relegation-fodder teams?" [:D]

It's actually really simple: the teams with the best players tend to win. If you gather the best creative players they will destroy any opposition... Think about Barcelona. They destroyed (with creative, beautiful attacking football) Mourinho's richest RM in history 5 - 0! Did ugly football save him that day? Clearly not. Did creative football prevail? Indeed.

If some fans want to use their Porsche to transport manure, oh well, what can I say [8|]

In the end, given that nothing is guaranteed (victory that is), why don't you put to good use the really great players your rich team (or Russian oligarch) can afford? Why are you playing as if you were weak and irrelevant?

Really, it's like hiring Beethoven to... sweep the streets [:D]

I think you have a selective memory. Barcelona did not always win playing beautiful football did they? And why do you say Mourinho had the most expensive Real Madrid team ever? Really? I've not checked but I suspect other managers have spent just as lavishly, if not more so. Who bought Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo?

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I think you have a selective memory. Barcelona did not always win playing beautiful football did they? And why do you say Mourinho had the most expensive Real Madrid team ever? Really? I've not checked but I suspect other managers have spent just as lavishly, if not more so. Who bought Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo?

I don't think I have a selective memory. Barcelona have been playing this sort of football since the early 90s (Holland school via Cruyff to be more precise).

This is how football has always been played (except some teams on the last 2 decades). You have players, go for the jugular, attack (or counter-attack if you prefer). Parking the bus IS the anomaly. And I am talking about STRONG squads. And to avoid confusions, I refuse to put Mourinho in the pure counter-attack camp. There's attacking football, there's counter-attacking football... and then there's Mourinho [;)]

The classic Italian defensive teams (counter-attack) had well defined 3 lines (let's say 4-4-2). They were NOT defending near their box. Those Serie A matches saw a lot of fight in the midfield (and Mourinho systematically gives up that portion when he faces strong squads: "everyone protect the GK! Everyone pull back!").

An article I had read said Mourinho's RM was the richest RM ever. Because they had the most expensive squad ever. I assume that guy did his homework.