Matrix Games Forums

The bottom line with the Sumatra Situation is that my opponent was realizing the hammer and axe were about to be wielded in Sumatra. IT would have taken months but once I had Sabang hemmed in and little chance of support it was OVER. My march up the western side of Sumatra (taking Nias and about to take Sinabang) as well as first serious moves on Trinket and Great Nicobar was a herald for the end of this Allied Offensive. With 8-10 Engineering units ready to deploy those bases would have gradually increased and then housed Miss Betty and Nell finishing his chances of resupply.

A desperate CV Battle would have been the probable outcome. The Japanese Side would have fielded an intact, concentrated Kido Butai AND 4-500 IJN LBA. It would have been FUN to watch as the outcome would certainly (IMO) have been a Japanese victory. The addition of LBA would have made all the difference...

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I missed out of the HR comment. What do you mean regarding loosening HR?

I can say from my standpoint that the home rule on strategic bombing dramatically changes the game in not so subtle ways. For example, you do not have to defend any strategic targets, and thus you can amass your fighter airframes strictly for the offense at this point. That ability to concentrate and the low airframe pools makes a IJFB wet dream, but not a very good game for the Allies. CR agreed to this HR, but I am not sure he was totally astute to the intended/unintended consequences of this HR.

Dan WANTED that HR so I wouldn't bomb China's Industry. I wanted it but not so late. I think the Allied capability for Strategic Bombing really become reality until somewhere in 1943. Thus, the goal was to have HR in this timeframe (1943).

In real life a small and in this game would be a totally insignificant raid [if it were possible] changed the complete complexion of the war. The Doolittle raid forced Japan to defend the home islands from CV raids and possible Strat bombing ..

Policy has intended and unintended consequences. No matter the intended consequences, one unintended consequence is the ability for the IJ to concentrate Airframes into a pure offensive mode with no fear of strategic retaliation. Not even a light "Doolittle" like raid of say B-25's smacking oil resources in the DEI. That Home rule from my perspective enabled what you have today.

??

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I missed out of the HR comment. What do you mean regarding loosening HR?

I can say from my standpoint that the home rule on strategic bombing dramatically changes the game in not so subtle ways. For example, you do not have to defend any strategic targets, and thus you can amass your fighter airframes strictly for the offense at this point. That ability to concentrate and the low airframe pools makes a IJFB wet dream, but not a very good game for the Allies. CR agreed to this HR, but I am not sure he was totally astute to the intended/unintended consequences of this HR.

Dan WANTED that HR so I wouldn't bomb China's Industry. I wanted it but not so late. I think the Allied capability for Strategic Bombing really become reality until somewhere in 1943. Thus, the goal was to have HR in this timeframe (1943).

Doesn't your strategic bombing HR go THROUGH 1943 until January 1, 1944? Big difference.

Are there other HRs, like restrictions on bombing ground troops or ships?

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

CRAP! Bet you are right.

Air Production is not my thing. This was/is FatR's balliwick.

Michael: Phone Call coming and have the Editor up for the Mod. We need to fix anything I just did last night. Am sending the current files...

Yes, you did screw the pooch here. [:D] I loaded newest version and it is .....

As John obviously cant check Dan's thread. I'll direct NY59Giant to check a response i did in his thread.
I basicly think NY59Giant has it wrong here and i PMed with him before on this issue with out any result. IMHO NY59Giant misunderstand the subbtle differences between replacements and prodcution and there it leads to some wrong conlusions.

Thats isnt to say or not whether u should up or not production, but IMO NY59Giant has some things in terms of game mechanics factually wrong. I obviously can be wrong and he can be right so i think before u make any changes if changes are made on those grounds only. you should to talk with a 3rd party u trust with undestanding the Allied production.

This has nothing to do with the discussion on whether to up allied planes or not only a question of getting teh facts strait or not as it might be. As i understand it Timofte was repsonsible for the Allied Air OOB and i have emailed him for clarification ans shall happily return to tell the results, either way.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

??

Ok. So we agree that its a deviation from the stanadart scn and thats fine its ur mod to make.

Np here and move on,

Rasmus

I may be late to the discussion, and I like Dan, so don't take this the wrong way.

The problem is HE ran his pools dry and is throwing in the towel. The HR on strategic bombing is big here. I don't know if we said the same in our PBEM game. If we do, we gave Japan a HUGE advantage from day one.

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: Crackaces




I can say from my standpoint that the home rule on strategic bombing dramatically changes the game in not so subtle ways. For example, you do not have to defend any strategic targets, and thus you can amass your fighter airframes strictly for the offense at this point. That ability to concentrate and the low airframe pools makes a IJFB wet dream, but not a very good game for the Allies. CR agreed to this HR, but I am not sure he was totally astute to the intended/unintended consequences of this HR.

Dan WANTED that HR so I wouldn't bomb China's Industry. I wanted it but not so late. I think the Allied capability for Strategic Bombing really become reality until somewhere in 1943. Thus, the goal was to have HR in this timeframe (1943).

Doesn't your strategic bombing HR go THROUGH 1943 until January 1, 1944? Big difference.

Yes: I believe it was to Jan 1, 1944. Think we agreed on that as sort of an arbitrary date. Heck...I wouldn't have an issue moving that up to June of 1943. Doesn't really matter to me...

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Are there other HRs, like restrictions on bombing ground troops or ships?

4EB may bomb any LCUs that are at a base of any sort. The original was way too restrictive so we modified it to that. ANYTHING at a base is fair game.

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: crsutton

As long as the Allied player keeps his carriers intact, I see no disaster that can not be recovered from. I told this to Dan.

Even losing all your carries including the first batch of CVEs and most of you navy you can recover as the allies. [:)]

Its very hard to do so imo.

ORIGINAL: Walloc

Ok. So we agree that its a deviation from the stanadart scn and thats fine its ur mod to make.

Np here and move on,

Rasmus

Yep: Michael is right that the Allied Player actually get MORE of these NASTY--EVIL--fighters the IRL.

The problem is HE ran his pools dry and is throwing in the towel.

With all due respect to the posters, CR raised a point that seems to be completely overlooked. This should be a matter of arithmetic. Surely it is possible to calculate what total number of fighters should have been produced by this date, and compare that with fighters on hand plus losses. If what CR says is right, you will find a disconnect in the quantity of P-39's at least.

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

The problem is HE ran his pools dry and is throwing in the towel.

With all due respect to the posters, CR raised a point that seems to be completely overlooked. This should be a matter of arithmetic. Surely it is possible to calculate what total number of fighters should have been produced by this date, and compare that with fighters on hand plus losses. If what CR says is right, you will find a disconnect in the quantity of P-39's at least.

As Dan cant see stuff here and i dont crosspost posts, i dont particular like post this as he cant read it. Any how I offered Dan to check his planes pools/producution against what he "suppose" to get. Because of the outside of game issues that John mentions earlier it has been put off until such a time when Dan has time/desire again but he knows my offer stands. Knowing such isnt Dan forte.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

ORIGINAL: Miller

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

ORIGINAL: crsutton

As long as the Allied player keeps his carriers intact, I see no disaster that can not be recovered from. I told this to Dan.

Even losing all your carries including the first batch of CVEs and most of you navy you can recover as the allies. [:)]

Its very hard to do so imo.

Not really.

OZ > New Guinea > Molluccas > Celebes > PI.

I'm not so completely inept that this was just bad play from the Japanese side. The Allies have better quality everything, and when concentrated in one area and used to maximum potential, as Jocke did very well, its not at all impossible to advance without CVs until late 43. There were a few days when things were very much in flux and could have gone either way, but in this case they went for the Allies. Hats off to him, but I've seen this in other games as well. If it's a Scen 1 game it's entirely possible for the Allies to deal with these losses to CVs. Tougher in Scen 2 or another similar mod.

Obvert: Didn't you have sync bug issues as well?

As stated earlier and as Capt Harlock points out, my chief concern here is to make sure there is no Mod-related issue here that further worsens an already bad situation for Dan. It would be fixable but I think Dan is at a points of no return with members of the forum and his AAR.

Just throwing my hat around, if your ready John for an allied player of no particular fame ready to put your feet in a fire, I stand ready when I finish my current game which should conclude by February 2016, provided I have not contracted a fatal disease, been subjected to a hideous car wreck, or get abducted by Angelina Jolie. Actually , if it's the car wreck scenario, and I still have a head and some fingers, I probably would still do it.

By Feb 2016? Wow. That is pretty fast. I'll have to get out my appointment book to see what I have open at that point! [8D]

I've got to say this Massed Rain Storm we are getting is frightening. We're good in La Salle but the pictures of the mountains, Fort Collins, Lyons, and Boulder are CRAZY. There are places that have gotten a full YEAR'S worth of rain in four days.

Good thoughts to my fellow state residents...

As Dan cant see stuff here and i dont crosspost posts, i dont particular like post this as he cant read it.

I'm not violating OpSec; my post was based on the message from Dan that John posted earlier.