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Ian R—

As to point #1—In running a couple of Marianas invasions in a mini-game, my experience in ordering everything at once into the invasion hexes (as Admiral Bravo intends) resulted in the MS TFs and the Bombardment TFs predictably encountering first fire—but with MS losses in mines only, not from CD fire, even against that bad boy at Saipan. The CDs seemed always to concentrate on the Bombardment TFs, while the MS went about their business (at least if the Bombardment TF had a BB firing)...

Losses were pretty steep for the MS TFs because the islands have a ton of mines (in the juiced-up mini-version).

Here the MS TFs have between 12-20 ships for each invasion, all containing a combination of DMS, AM & YMS... IOW, everything I could lay my hands on[:)]

Thank you for your excellent points!

—Hag

Gents,

Good luck with Sea Shark.

Since there's some excellent advice laid out by Ian R, my apologies if I'm venturing into Dept. of Redundancy Dept. territory, but as an AFB I'd like to see you fellas do well. One further point on the CVs--if they are paired with slower vessels they'll be more vulnerable to attack, since the slowest vessel in the TF sets the speed, and also they won't be able to react as far if needed. It's best to keep CVs and CVEs separated primarily due to the speed difference (this also applies to surface forces, such as mixing old BBs and CAs). The coordination penalty also only applies to strike packages as far as I know. It shouldn't affect CAP or LRCAP.

Cheers,
CC

June 10, 1943


[center]Opening Comments[/center]


1.) The Sea Shark Invasion Fleet is two hexes southwest of Laysan Island at hex 163,97; 2,280 miles from its destination one hex due east of Rota near the Marianas Islands.

2.) I am beginning to get a tad concerned that Chungking may indeed fall into Japanese hands sometime during the next few months as El Lobo's bombers are inflicting heavier casualties than in the past.


Synopsis of Combat Events for Today


1.) Captain Haggard's AM hits El Lobo's submarine I-38 five times near Midway (hex 153,101).

2.) El Lobo bombs Chungking.

3.) El Lobo deliberately attacks near Kienko (hex 79,41) and near Chungking (hex 79,39).

4.) The Allies deliberately attack Ramree Island.

5.) The Allies bombard Meiktila.


Captain Haggard 1, El Lobo 0, near Midway (hex 153,101)


Japanese Losses

AM Champion hits SS I-38 five times, setting it ablaze.

No Allied losses.


Japanese Bomb Chungking


Japanese Losses

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)
3 damaged (Ki-49-IIa Helen)

Allied Losses

306 casualties
1 squad destroyed
44 squads disabled
6 hits (Airbase)
1 hit (Airbase Supply)
8 hits (Runway)


Japanese Deliberately Attack Near Kienko (hex 79,41)


Ground combat at 79,41 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1018 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 52

Defending force 910 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 26

Allied adjusted defense: 13

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th NCPC Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
52nd Chinese Corps


Japanese Deliberately Attack Near Kienko (hex 79,39)


Ground combat at 79,39 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1024 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 1595 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 27

Allied adjusted defense: 31

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
101st NCPC Route Brigade

Defending units:
Red Chinese Army
15th Chinese Base Force


Allies Deliberately Attack Ramree Island


Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13856 troops, 367 guns, 321 vehicles, Assault Value = 439

Defending force 7818 troops, 100 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 75

Allied adjusted assault: 153

Japanese adjusted defense: 273

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 0)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
461 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
177 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled

Assaulting units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2nd British Division
54th Coastal Artillery Regiment
101st RAF Base Force
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
107th RAF Base Force
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
Rabaul Det. Base Force
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
1st NW Frontier Base Force
173 Wing
112th RN Base Force
18th USN Naval Construction Battalion
175 Wing
24th Indian Engineer Battalion
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
823rd Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
55th Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
5th Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Army
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
17th JAAF Base Force


Allies Bombard Meiktila


Ground combat at Meiktila (58,47)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3356 troops, 295 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 2290

Defending force 78905 troops, 928 guns, 331 vehicles, Assault Value = 1890

Japanese ground losses:
91 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 52 (33 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Assaulting units:
762nd Tank Battalion
6th Australian Division
7th Australian Division
763rd Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
102nd Combat Engineer Regiment
II Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
627th Tank Destroyer Battalion
24th Infantry Division
Americal Infantry Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
9th Australian Division
30th Field Artillery Regiment
251st Coast AA Regiment
188th Field Artillery Regiment
138th USA Base Force
97th Field Artillery Battalion
216th Coast AA Regiment
134th Field Artillery Battalion
214th Coast AA Regiment
168th Field Artillery Regiment
206th Coast AA Regiment
205th Field Artillery Battalion
249th Field Artillery Battalion
181st Field Artillery Regiment
226th Field Artillery Battalion
183rd Field Artillery Regiment
198th Field Artillery Battalion
110th USA Base Force
147th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
4th Guards Division
52nd Division
2nd Guards Division
2nd Division
48th Division
23rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
5th Guards Division
39th JAAF AF Bn
46th JNAF AF Unit
34th Field AA Battalion
53rd JNAF AF Unit
85th JAAF AF Bn
22nd Ind.Mtn Gun Battalion
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
31st Road Const Co
10th JNAF AF Unit
207th JAAF AF Bn
1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment
14th JNAF AF Unit
29th Ind. Engineer Regiment
17th Army
91st JAAF AF Bn
18th JNAF AF Unit
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
70th JAAF AF Bn
25th Air Defense AA Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
115th JAAF AF Bn


Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Gents,

Good luck with Sea Shark.

Since there's some excellent advice laid out by Ian R, my apologies if I'm venturing into Dept. of Redundancy Dept. territory, but as an AFB I'd like to see you fellas do well. One further point on the CVs--if they are paired with slower vessels they'll be more vulnerable to attack, since the slowest vessel in the TF sets the speed, and also they won't be able to react as far if needed. It's best to keep CVs and CVEs separated primarily due to the speed difference (this also applies to surface forces, such as mixing old BBs and CAs). The coordination penalty also only applies to strike packages as far as I know. It shouldn't affect CAP or LRCAP.

Cheers,
CC

Commander Cody-

Welcome aboard The War College!

Thank you for wishing Captain Haggard and I success in capturing the four southern Marianas Islands.

I have previously been advised numerous times not to mix slow carriers nor slow combat surface ships with fast carriers and fast combat surface ships. However, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, I don't understand the relevancy considering the following:

1.) Except for the Bombardment and Amphibious Assault Task Forces, the Allies intend to keep the entire Invasion Fleet together in the same hex to and from Pearl Harbor and at the hex due east of Rota. After the Bombardment Task Forces bombard each of their objectives only one time (i.e., Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam) and after the Amphibious Task Forces unload troops and supply, the Bombardment Task Forces and Amphibious Assault Task Forces will return to join the Invasion Fleet.

2.) The Allies do not intend to neither chase nor run from Japanese warships. The Invasion Fleet carriers intend to provide CAP and LRCAP in an effort to protect the Amphibious Assaults and kill Japanese pilots. The Invasion Fleet Combat Surface Task Forces intend to remain in the same hex as the carriers and returning Amphibious Assault Task Forces to fight any Japanese war ships that care to enter the hex.

3.) The Allies simply do not care about speed. When the Invasion Fleet moves, it will move at 12 knots, the speed of the slowest transports within the Invasion Fleet. Neither the carriers nor the combat surface ships will break-away from the Invasion Fleet as their mission is to protect hundreds of transports.

Accordingly, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, am I missing something?

Best Regards,

-Terry

[center]Revision of Order of Battle

for

Operation Sea Shark Task Forces

June 10, 1943[/center]


Upon taking into consideration the recent sage advice of GetAssista and Ian R, the Allies have decided to make the following changes regarding some of Operation Sea Shark's Invasion Fleet Task Forces:

1.) Carrier Task Forces will be revised to assure that no single Carrier Task Force contain more than 150 aircraft nor more than 15 ships.

2.) One BB and one CA will be removed from each of the four Bombardment Task Forces.

3.) Three new Surface Combat Task Forces will be formed, using the removed BBs and CAs, and using the all the surface combat ships presently in the three Surface Combat Task Forces.

4.) One day prior to the Amphibious Assaults, the Amphibious Assault Task forces will be revised to include up to 100 Amphibious Assault transports, thereby reducing the number of transports the Japanese Coastal Guns can fire upon.

Within a day or two, I will post the complete revised Operation Sea Shark Order of Battle.

Best Regards,

-Terry

The element of surprise is all good and fine...has this freight train been spotted? You will want to keep close eye on the various detection levels as this train tries to sneak up on it's prey.

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

The element of surprise is all good and fine...has this freight train been spotted? You will want to keep close eye on the various detection levels as this train tries to sneak up on it's prey.

pontiouspilot-

You Canadians do make me laugh.

In response to your question: Like the man that fell out of his 16th floor apartment responded to those below that asked how things were going as he passed by on the way down, "So far, so good."

Only two of the present 46 Task Forces of the Invasion Fleet indicate detection, both at a detection level of 1.

Captain Haggard reports that his submarines 200 miles north of Wake Island are being detected at higher levels.

Our ships moving into Wake Island have also been snooped fairly well for about three weeks.

Accordingly, I suspect that as the Invasion Fleet passes 40 miles above Wake Island the freight train will be heard.

Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Gents,

Good luck with Sea Shark.

Since there's some excellent advice laid out by Ian R, my apologies if I'm venturing into Dept. of Redundancy Dept. territory, but as an AFB I'd like to see you fellas do well. One further point on the CVs--if they are paired with slower vessels they'll be more vulnerable to attack, since the slowest vessel in the TF sets the speed, and also they won't be able to react as far if needed. It's best to keep CVs and CVEs separated primarily due to the speed difference (this also applies to surface forces, such as mixing old BBs and CAs). The coordination penalty also only applies to strike packages as far as I know. It shouldn't affect CAP or LRCAP.

Cheers,
CC

Commander Cody-

Welcome aboard The War College!

Thank you for wishing Captain Haggard and I success in capturing the four southern Marianas Islands.

I have previously been advised numerous times not to mix slow carriers nor slow combat surface ships with fast carriers and fast combat surface ships. However, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, I don't understand the relevancy considering the following:

1.) Except for the Bombardment and Amphibious Assault Task Forces, the Allies intend to keep the entire Invasion Fleet together in the same hex to and from Pearl Harbor and at the hex due east of Rota. After the Bombardment Task Forces bombard each of their objectives only one time (i.e., Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam) and after the Amphibious Task Forces unload troops and supply, the Bombardment Task Forces and Amphibious Assault Task Forces will return to join the Invasion Fleet.

2.) The Allies do not intend to neither chase nor run from Japanese warships. The Invasion Fleet carriers intend to provide CAP and LRCAP in an effort to protect the Amphibious Assaults and kill Japanese pilots. The Invasion Fleet Combat Surface Task Forces intend to remain in the same hex as the carriers and returning Amphibious Assault Task Forces to fight any Japanese war ships that care to enter the hex.

3.) The Allies simply do not care about speed. When the Invasion Fleet moves, it will move at 12 knots, the speed of the slowest transports within the Invasion Fleet. Neither the carriers nor the combat surface ships will break-away from the Invasion Fleet as their mission is to protect hundreds of transports.

Accordingly, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, am I missing something?

Best Regards,

-Terry

Rio Bravo: By speed, as far as I know (and I'm no developer), ships are easier to hit the lower their speed (which matches the lowest speed in the TF). By that I mean the faster the ship, the harder it is to hit it with bombs, torpedoes or naval shells.

I could be wrong, but somewhere along the way this got stuck in my head and I keep it in mind when organizing TFs.

Cheers,
CC

[center]June 11, 1943[/center]


Opening Comments


The Operation Sea Shark Invasion Fleet is proceeding together slowly at 12 knots and is 2,040 miles away from its destination one hex due east of Rota near the Marianas Islands. The Disruption Level of the troops is close to 6 and the Fatigue Level is 0.


Synopsis of Combat Events for Today


1.) El Lobo Bombs Chengtu and Chungking. El Lobo's bombers are taking a heavy toll on the heavily battered and bruised Chinese at Chungking. The Chinese Assault Value at Chengtu is 2,700 and the Fort Level is 1. The Assault Value at Chungking is 5,100 and the Fort Level is 5. The Chinese are severely low on supply and running out of rubber bands to shoot at El Lobo's evil marauding pillagers and plunderers.

2.) El Lobo deliberately attacks near Kienko at hexes 79,41 and 79,39. El Lobo attacks the Chinese at these two hexes nearly everyday and has been for a couple months. The brave and honorable Chinese have beaten off each attack by hurling rocks and swinging sticks.

3.) The 2nd British Division attacked Ramree Island for the fifth (maybe the sixth) time today and once again was denied the prize. Damn Ramree and the El Lobo wave it surfed in on!


Japanese Bomb Chengtu


Japanese Losses

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)

Allied Losses

4 casualties
1 squad disabled
2 hits (Airbase)
3 hits (Airbase Supply)
42 hits (Runway)


Japanese Pound Chungking


Japanese Losses

2 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)
4 damaged (Ki-49-IIa Helen)

Allied Losses

498 casualties
2 squads destroyed
79 squads disabled
2 hits (Airbase)
1 hit (Airbase Supply)
17 hits (Runway)


Japanese Deliberately Attack Near Kienko (hex 79,41)


Ground combat at 79,39 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1024 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 1585 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 47

Allied adjusted defense: 31

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
101st NCPC Route Brigade

Defending units:
Red Chinese Army
15th Chinese Base Force


Japanese Deliberately Attack Near Kienko (hex 79,41)


Ground combat at 79,41 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1024 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 890 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 55

Allied adjusted defense: 10

Japanese assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Assaulting units:
5th NCPC Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
52nd Chinese Corps


Ramree Island Be Damned!


Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13796 troops, 367 guns, 321 vehicles, Assault Value = 433

Defending force 7497 troops, 99 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 57

Allied adjusted assault: 303

Japanese adjusted defense: 251

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
535 casualties reported
Squads: 32 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
216 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 16 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2nd British Division
101st RAF Base Force
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
54th Coastal Artillery Regiment
175 Wing
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
107th RAF Base Force
112th RN Base Force
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
1st NW Frontier Base Force
173 Wing
Rabaul Det. Base Force
18th USN Naval Construction Battalion
24th Indian Engineer Battalion
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
823rd Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
55th Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
5th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Army
17th JAAF Base Force


Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Gents,

Good luck with Sea Shark.

Since there's some excellent advice laid out by Ian R, my apologies if I'm venturing into Dept. of Redundancy Dept. territory, but as an AFB I'd like to see you fellas do well. One further point on the CVs--if they are paired with slower vessels they'll be more vulnerable to attack, since the slowest vessel in the TF sets the speed, and also they won't be able to react as far if needed. It's best to keep CVs and CVEs separated primarily due to the speed difference (this also applies to surface forces, such as mixing old BBs and CAs). The coordination penalty also only applies to strike packages as far as I know. It shouldn't affect CAP or LRCAP.

Cheers,
CC

Commander Cody-

Welcome aboard The War College!

Thank you for wishing Captain Haggard and I success in capturing the four southern Marianas Islands.

I have previously been advised numerous times not to mix slow carriers nor slow combat surface ships with fast carriers and fast combat surface ships. However, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, I don't understand the relevancy considering the following:

1.) Except for the Bombardment and Amphibious Assault Task Forces, the Allies intend to keep the entire Invasion Fleet together in the same hex to and from Pearl Harbor and at the hex due east of Rota. After the Bombardment Task Forces bombard each of their objectives only one time (i.e., Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam) and after the Amphibious Task Forces unload troops and supply, the Bombardment Task Forces and Amphibious Assault Task Forces will return to join the Invasion Fleet.

2.) The Allies do not intend to neither chase nor run from Japanese warships. The Invasion Fleet carriers intend to provide CAP and LRCAP in an effort to protect the Amphibious Assaults and kill Japanese pilots. The Invasion Fleet Combat Surface Task Forces intend to remain in the same hex as the carriers and returning Amphibious Assault Task Forces to fight any Japanese war ships that care to enter the hex.

3.) The Allies simply do not care about speed. When the Invasion Fleet moves, it will move at 12 knots, the speed of the slowest transports within the Invasion Fleet. Neither the carriers nor the combat surface ships will break-away from the Invasion Fleet as their mission is to protect hundreds of transports.

Accordingly, for the purposes of Operation Sea Shark only, am I missing something?

Best Regards,

-Terry

Rio Bravo: By speed, as far as I know (and I'm no developer), ships are easier to hit the lower their speed (which matches the lowest speed in the TF). By that I mean the faster the ship, the harder it is to hit it with bombs, torpedoes or naval shells.

I could be wrong, but somewhere along the way this got stuck in my head and I keep it in mind when organizing TFs.

Cheers,
CC

Commander Cody-

That makes sense.

Unfortunately, the Allies can't risk leaving hundreds of transports unguarded.

Besides, after laying-low for eighteen months, the troops are itching to fight.

Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

Gents,

Good luck with Sea Shark.

Since there's some excellent advice laid out by Ian R, my apologies if I'm venturing into Dept. of Redundancy Dept. territory, but as an AFB I'd like to see you fellas do well. One further point on the CVs--if they are paired with slower vessels they'll be more vulnerable to attack, since the slowest vessel in the TF sets the speed, and also they won't be able to react as far if needed. It's best to keep CVs and CVEs separated primarily due to the speed difference (this also applies to surface forces, such as mixing old BBs and CAs). The coordination penalty also only applies to strike packages as far as I know. It shouldn't affect CAP or LRCAP.

Cheers,
CC

Commander Cody,

In regards to your supposition of ship speed and relative vulnerability:

Does it therefore equate that two hypothetical CV TFs—both remaining planted at a given hex with zero reaction (tasked with providing CAP/LRCAP only)—the first TF containing two CVs and the second TF one CV & one CVE—that under equal air attacks, the CV in the second TF will be relatively more vulnerable than the CVs in the first TF?

Because if that is what you propose, you just blew my mind, sir.

And I thank you for it!

Kind regards,

Hag

CaptHaggard: Yes, that's what I'm proposing. I spent about 15 minutes trying to find a relevant thread but no joy.

Cheers,
CC

[center]June 12, 1943[/center]


Opening Comments


1.) Japanese Carriers have been sighted near Iwo Jima (hex 106,83) and near Wake Island (136,98).

2.) Intelligence indicates that Japan's 144th Infantry Regiment is at Guam and the Japan's 6th Base Force and 14th Infantry Regiment are loaded on transports moving to Guam.

3.) The Operation Sea Shark Invasion Fleet continues to move together at the slow pace of 12 knots and is 1,760 miles from its destination one hex due east of Rota near the Marianas Islands. The Invasion Fleet is 600 miles due east of Wake Island and will pass-by 40 miles above Wake Island. U.S. Army Infantry troops are at a 7 Disruption Level and 0 Fatigue. U.S. Marine troops are at a 3 Disruption Level and 0 fatigue.


Synopsis of Combat Events for Today


1.) El Lobo bombs Chungking.

2.) El Lobo deliberately attacks near Kienko (hex 79,41).


Japan Bombs Chungking


Japanese Losses

2 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)

Allied Losses

94 casualties
1 squad destroyed
9 squads disabled
1 hit (Airbase)
14 hits (Runway)


Japanese Deliberately Attacks Near Kienko


Ground combat at 79,41 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1024 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 870 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Japanese adjusted assault: 52

Allied adjusted defense: 4

Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
5th NCPC Infantry Brigade

Defending units:
52nd Chinese Corps


Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

CaptHaggard: Yes, that's what I'm proposing. I spent about 15 minutes trying to find a relevant thread but no joy.

Cheers,
CC

Good lord, my friend—who knew?

Whenever I've seen WWII footage of CVs under attack, their wake gives writhing evidence that their first priority under mortal danger is: Get away-book-mach schnell-vamoose-pronto!!! From appearances, I would say the last thing the commanders on those bridges were thinking was, "Oh, gee—I'm losing position—I'm messing up our formation! I'd better tell the engine room to SLOW DOWN! And quartermaster—quit flipping that wheel back and forth—I'm getting QUEASY!"

It would seem that under attack the pertinent code in the game-system should trigger that ship's speed and maneuverability to the max, unfettered by other concerns.

Maybe the devs watched different documentaries?

Have a good one!

Hag

So if IJN CVs already spotted there is in my opinion no chance of surprise...unless they are false detections. What was detection level on those TFs? What's plan B?...are your CVs going out front to confront the Jap. CVS?

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

So if IJN CVs already spotted there is in my opinion no chance of surprise...unless they are false detections. What was detection level on those TFs? What's plan B?...are your CVs going out front to confront the Jap. CVS?


pontiouspilot-

I never expected and still do not expect the Operation Sea Shark Invasion Fleet to make it all the way to one hex due east of Rota without being detected by that Evil Emperor El Lobo. Rather, my best guess is that he will detect the Invasion Fleet somewhere close to Wake Island.

Captain Haggard's submarines have spotted the Japanese Carriers, not ships within the Invasion Fleet.

As of June 12, 1943, none of the Invasion Fleet Task Forces show any detection whatsoever.

There is no Plan B. The invasion of the four southern Marianas Islands will proceed to fruition.

No, the Allied carriers will remain with the Invasion Fleet. The Allied primary goal is to simultaneously land troops on the four southern Marianas Islands.

At this date of the war, the Allies do not want nor relish a carrier battle. However, if El Lobo wants a carrier battle, he will know where to find the Allied carriers and the Allied carriers will not run until all Bombardment and Amphibious Task Forces return to the Invasion Fleet to proceed back to Pearl together as one group.

[center]June 13, 1943[/center]


1.) The Operation Sea Shark Invasion Fleet is 480 miles from Wake Island and 1,640 miles away from its destination one hex due east of Rota near the Marianas Islands. For a reason(s) unknown to me, the Invasion Fleet only moved 120 miles. Every ships is in good shape.

2.) Intelligence indicates that near Wake Island, a Japanese Carrier Aircraft has spotted Task Force 40, the lead Task Force of the Allied Invasion Fleet

3.) Intelligence indicates that Japan's 124th Infantry Regiment is loaded and bound for Guam and Japan's 2/19th Field AF Construction Battalion is loaded and bound for Rota.


Synopsis of Combat for Today


1.) Chinese that escaped from Chungking and traveled south limped into Chihkiang unopposed and captures the city.

2.) The Allies capture Ramree Island.

3.) El Lobo bombs Chengtu, Chungking, and near Chihkiang (hex 77,49).

4.) El Lobo deliberately attacks near Kienko (hex 9,39).

5.) The Allies deliberately attack Ramree Island.


Japanese Bomb Chengtu


Japanese Losses

1 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)

Allied Losses

5 casualties
1 squad disabled
5 hits (Airbase)
33 hits (Runway)


Japanese Bomb Chungking


Japanese Losses

2 damaged (Ki-21-IIa Sally)
4 damaged (Ki-49-IIa Helen)

Allied Losses

397 casualties
3 squads destroyed
70 squads disabled
2 hits (Airbase)
1 hit (Airbase Supply)
21 hits (Runway)


Japanese Bomb Near Chihkiang (hex 77,49)

No Japanese losses.

Allied Losses

13 casualties
2 squads disabled


Japan Deliberately Attacks Near Kienko


Ground combat at 79,39 (near Kienko)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1019 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 53

Defending force 1540 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 52

Allied adjusted defense: 31

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Allied ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
101st NCPC Route Brigade

Defending units:
Red Chinese Army
15th Chinese Base Force


Allies Attack Ramree Island


Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12634 troops, 366 guns, 298 vehicles, Assault Value = 418

Defending force 7309 troops, 99 guns, 119 vehicles, Assault Value = 56

Allied adjusted assault: 324

Japanese adjusted defense: 127

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Ramree Island !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
530 casualties reported
Squads: 29 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 70 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 52 (52 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 85 (85 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
45 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
2nd British Division
101st RAF Base Force
12th Indian Engineer Battalion
173 Wing
107th RAF Base Force
112th RN Base Force
1st NW Frontier Base Force
Rabaul Det. Base Force
175 Wing
23rd Indian Engineer Battalion
24th Indian Engineer Battalion
2nd Indian Coastal Artillery Regiment
18th USN Naval Construction Battalion
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
54th Coastal Artillery Regiment
823rd Engineer Aviation Battalion

Defending units:
55th Infantry Regiment
143rd Infantry Regiment
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Army
5th Field Artillery Regiment
17th JAAF Base Force


Best Regards,

-Terry

Good luck! Things should get real interesting in next few turns!! Thanks for updates. By the way you have large gonads!

[center]Operation Sea Shark
Invasion of the Four Southern Marianas Islands
Order of Battle
Revised As of June 13, 1943[/center]



Opening Comments


Since the inception of the war, the Allies have planned to invade Saipan, Tinian, Rota, and Guam (the four southern Marianas Islands) during the month of June, 1943. Operation Sea Shark is an integral part of the Allied Grand Strategy to implement a Naval Blockade of Japan Proper and to transport ground forces, aircraft, and supply to China in support of Operation Land Shark (the land war to conquer Burma, China, Manchukua, and Korea).

Consolidated Data


Excluding the Submarines, Minesweepers, and PT boats under the Command of Captain Haggard, the Invasion Fleet is comprised of the following:

• 3,120 Miles from Pearl to Objectives
• 427 Wildcat Fighters
• 271 Hellcat Fighters
• 134 Dauntless Dive Bombers
• 46 Task Forces
• 971 Ships
• 20 Carriers
• 23 Battleships
• 25 CAs
• 26 CLs
• 7 CLAAs
• 95 Destroyers
• 22 AOs
• 262,310 Fuel Replenishment
• 1,943 Saipan Assault Value
• 788 Tinian Assault Value
• 703 Rota Assault Value
• 3,131 Guam Assault Value
• 337,339 Saipan Supply
• 331,106 Tinian Supply
• 330,480 Rota Supply
• 622,657 Guam Supply
• 1,621,582 Total Supply
• 14,000,000 Rolls of Toilet Paper


Task Forces


I have no doubt, that many of The War College members could have done a much better job creating the Invasion Fleet Task Forces. It has been a time consuming and daunting task configuring the following Task Forces:


Carrier Task Forces (4)

72 ships

TF 473 Carrier Group One(18 ships): CV Enterprise, CV Yorktown, CVE Altamaha, CVE Barnes, CVE Chenango, CA Wichita, CA Astoria, CL Cleveland, CL St. Louis, CLAA Atlanta, CLAA Oakland, DD Fletcher, DD Abbot, DD Aulick, DD Bache, DD Beale, DD Chevalier, and DE Austin.

TF 528 Carrier Group Two(18 ships): CV Lexington, CV Saratoga, CVE Nassau, CVE Copalee, CVE Long Island, CA Indianapolis, CA New Orleans, CL Denver, CL Helena, CLAA Juneau, CLAA Reno, DD Conway, DD Cony, DD DeHaven, DD Eaton, DD Jenkins, DD La Vallette, and DE Edward C. Daly.

TF 533 Carrier Group Three(18 ships): CV Hornet, CV Wasp, CVE Sangamon, CVE Suwanee, CVL Hermes, CA Portland, CA Minneapolis, CL Columbia, CL Honolulu, CLAA San Diego, CLAA Prince Rupert, DD Nichols, DD O’Bannon, DD Phillip, DD Radford, DD Renshaw, DD Saufley, and DE Juamma.

TF 534 Carrier Group Four(18 ships): CV Essex, CV Victorious, CVE Prince William, CVE Anzio, CVE Santee, CA Quincy, CA San Francisco, CL Santa Fe, CL Nashville, CL Phoenix, CLAA San Juan, DD Converse, DD Ammen, DD Stanly, DD Strong, DD Taylor, DD Waller, and DE Sutlej.


Bombardment Task Forces (4)

60 ships

TF 521 Saipan Bombardment Group(14 ships): BB Maryland, BB Colorado, BB Arizona, BB Pennsylvania, CA Chester, CA Chicago, CA Houston, CA Louisville, CL Achilles, CL Concord, CL Detroit, CL Raleigh, DD Porter, and DD Phelps.

TF 532 Tinian Bombardment Group(14 Ships): BB Idaho, BB New Mexico, BB California, CA Australia, CA Canberra, CA Cornwall, CL Marblehead, CL Richmond, CL Trenton, DD Clark, and DD Ellet.

TF 535 Rota Bombardment Group(13 ships): BB Revenge, BB Royal Sovereign, BB Ramillies, BB Resolution, CA Exeter, CA Shropshire, CA Frobisher, CL Adelaide, CL Cape Town, CL Caredoc, CL Ceres, DD Benham, and DD Lang.

TF 536 Guam Bombardment Group(13 ships): BB West Virginia, BB Tennessee, BB Mississippi, CA Vincennes, CA Northampton, CA Pensacola, CA Salt Lake City, CL Montpleir, CL Hobart, CL Perth, DD Balch, and DD Selfridge.


Surface Combat Task Forces (3)

35 ships

TF 537 Surface Combat Group One (14 Ships): BB Prince of Wales, BC Repulse, CA Dorsetshire, CL Danae, DD Anthony, DD Bennett, DD Hutchins, DD Pringle, DD Fanning, DD Mahan, DD Cummings, DD Drayton, DD Case, and DD Conyngham.

TF 662 Surface Combat Group Two (14 Ships): BB North Carolina, BB South Dakota, CA Hawkins, CL Durban, DD Helm, DD Mugford, DD Ralph Talbot, DD Henley, DD Patterson, DD Jarvis, DD Craven, DD Gridley, DD McCall, and DD Maury.

TF 670 Surface Combat Group Three (14 Ships): BB Washington, BB Massachusetts, CA Sussex, CL Leander, DD Walke, DD Lamson, DD Cushing, DD Smith, DD Preston, DD Reid, DD Flusser, DD Tucker, DD Cassin, and DD Downes.


Fuel Replenishment Task Force (1)

21 ships

TF 540 Fuel Replenishment Group (21 Ships): DD Stack, DD Sterrett, AO Bazos, AO Cuyama, AO Kanawka, AO Neches, AO Spbine, AO Karaskia, AO Cimarron, AO Platte, AO Guadalupe, AO Kankakee, AO Tappahanock, AO Monoghele, AO Tallulah, AO Cache, AO Suamioo, AO Milliooma, AO Saranac, AO Sahvylkill, AO Bishopdale and 232,850 fuel.

One Destroyer, 3 AOs, and 29,460 fuel are undocked at Wake Island.


Saipan Amphibious Task Forces (7)

175 ships

TF 40 Saipan Amphib One (25 Ships): 6 US Army HQ, 7 Infantry Division, 181 USAAF BF, 48 USN SeaBees, 804 EAB, 4 FA Bn., 55 Coastal Artillery Bn., 203 Coastal AA Rgt., and 30,811 supply.

TF 209 Saipan Amphib Two (25 Ships): XI US Corps HQ, 43 Infantry Division, 353 Construction Rgt., 144 USA BF, 182 USAAF BF, 98 FA Bn., 250 Coastal Artillery Bn., 210 Coastal AA Rgt., and 30,582 supply.

TF 618 Saipan Amphib Three (25 Ships): US AirCenPac HQ, 129 Infantry Rgt., 145 Infantry Rgt., 1393 Construction Rgt., 150 USA BF, 224 USN BF, 822/824 EAB, 225 FA Bn., and 41,132 supply.

TF 619 Saipan Amphib Four (25 Ships): 53 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 102 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 766 Tank Bn., D Det. Port Service, 151 USA BF, 39 USN SeaBees, 154 FA Bn., 259 Coastal Artillery Bn., and 60,950 supply.

TF 621 Saipan Amphib Five (25 Ships): 138 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 158 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 767 Tank Bn., 4 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 152 USA BF, 40 USN SeaBees, 165 FA Bn., 30 Caostal AA Rgt., and 54,278 supply.

TF 622 Saipan Amphib Six (25 Ships): 201 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 503 Parachute Bn., 131 Combat Engineer Rgt., 109 Anti-Tank Bn., 5 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 108 USN BF, 41 USN SeaBees, 209 FA Bn., 77 Coastal AA Rgt., and 59,158 supply.

TF 677 Saipan Amphib Supply Group (25 Ships): 60,428 Supply.


Tinian Amphibious Task Forces (8)

173 ships

TF 625 Tinian Amphib One (23 Ships): 8 NZ Bde., 11 USN SeaBees, 3 RNZAF BF, and 26,429 supply.

TF 628 Tinian Amphib Two (23 Ships): 11 NZ Bde., 16 USN SeaBees, N Force Detachemnt, 501 Coastal AA Rgt., and 41,523 supply.

TF 629 Tinian Amphib Three (22 Sips): 14 NZ Bde., 42 USN SeaBees, 7 USN Naval Construction, Rgt., A Det. Port Service, and 31,789 supply.

TF 630 Tinian Amphib Four (23 Ships): 13 USAAF HQ, Fiji Bde., 6 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 35 Aviation BF, and 42,819 supply.

TF 631 Tinian Amphib Five (22 Ships) 1 Fiji Commando Bn., 226 USN BF, 2 RNZAF BF, and 51,436 supply.

TF 632 Tinian Amphib Six (22 Ships): 110 Combat Engineer, 15 NZ AA Bde., 142 USA BF, 842 EAB, 33 Medium Rgt., and 31,800 supply.

TF 633 Tinian Amphib Seven (22): 3 NZ Division HQ, 227 USN BF, 857 EAB, 3 NZ Armor, 507 Coastal AA Rgt., and 45,030 supply.

TF 653 Tinian Amphib Supply Group (16 Ships): 68,280 supply.


Rota Amphibious Task Forces (8)

171 ships

TF 634 Rota Amphib One (25 Ships): XiV US Corps HQ, 14 Canadian Bde., and 39,885 supply.

TF 635 Rota Amphib Two (25 Ships): 18 Canadian Bde., 871 EAB, and 42,282 supply.

TF 636 Rota Amphib Three (25 Ships): 24 (Sep) Infantry Rgt., 36 USN SeaBees, 57 Coastal AA Rgt., and 41,804 supply.

TF 637 Rota Amphib Four (25 Ships): 112 Cavalry Rgt., 8 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 37 USN SeaBees, 863 EAB, and 40,317 supply.

TF 638 Rota Amphib Five (25 Ships): Rocky Mountain Ranger Bn., 179 USAAF Bn., B Detachment Port Service, 40 Aviation Bn., and 46,204 supply.

TF 639 Rota Amphib Six (24 Ships): 109 USN BF, 9 USN Naval Construction Rgt., and 45,457 supply.

TF 226 Rota Amphib Seven(5 Ships): 16 Canadian Bde., and 2,931 supply.

TF 226 Rota Amphib Supply Group (17 Ships): 71,600 supply.

28 Canadian AA Rgt., 511 Coastal AA Rgt., and 611 Coastal AA Rgt. are loading at Pearl Harbor and will not be able to catch up with the Invasion Fleet prior to the Invasion Fleet Amphibious Task Forces hitting the beaches. Depending on the situation, these ground forces may land a few days late or simply go to Wake Island to await the capture of Rota.


Guam Amphibious Task Forces (11)

263 ships

TF 641 Guam Amphib One (25 Ships): 1 US Amphibious Corps, 1 Marine Division, 1 USMC Tank Bn., 1 Marine Defense Bn., 1 USMC FA Bn., 1 USMC EAB, 1 USMC Air Wing, 45 USN SeaBees, and 42,764 supply.

TF 642 Guam Amphib Two (25 Ships): USMC AirFMFPac, 2 Marine Division, 2 USMC Tank Bn., 2 Marine Defense Bn., 2 USMC FA Bn., 2 USMC EAB, 2 USMC Air Wing, and 52,729 supply.

TF 643 Guam Amphib Three (25 Ships): I US Corps HQ, 3 Marine Division, 3 USMC Tank Bn., 3 Marine Defense Bn., 146 USA BF, 46 USN SeaBees, and 56,017 supply.

TF 644 Guam Amphib Four (25 Ships): 7 US Fleet HQ, 4 Marine Division, 4 USMC Tank Bn., 4 Marine Defense Bn., 147 USA BF, and 39,099 supply.

TF 645 Guam Amphib Five (25 Ships): 22 Marine Rgt., 18 Combat Engineer Rgt., 1 USMC Corps Tank Bn., 5 Marine Defense Bn., 148 USA BF, 177 Construction Rgt., and 57,724 supply.

TF 646 Guam Amphib Six (25 Ships): 1 USMC Parachute Bn., 1 Marine Raider Bn., 2 Eng. Amphibious Bde., 640 Tank Destroyer Bn., 7 Marine Defense Bn., 149 USA BF, E Detachment Port Service, and 63,134 supply.

TF 647 Guam Amphib Seven (25 Ships): 2 USMC Parachute Bn., 2 Marine Raider Bn., 1 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 177 USAAF BF, 8 Marine Defense Bn., 223 USN BF, 39 Aviation BF, and 35,555 supply.

TF 648 Guam Amphib Eight (25 Ships): 3 USMC Parachute Bn., 3 Marine Raider Bn., 2 USN Naval Construction Rgt., 178 USAAF BF, 222 USN BF, 9 Marine Defense Bn., and 57,275 supply.

TF 649 Guam Amphib Nine (25 Ships): 4 Marine Raider Bn., C Detachment Port Service, 43 USN SeaBees, 10 Marine Defense Bn., 38 Aviation BF, and 97,819 supply.

TF 650 Guam Amphib Ten (13 Ships): Pacific Ocean Areas HQ, 11 Marine Defense Bn., 12 Marine Defense Bn., 14 Marine Defense Bn., 15 Marine Defense Bn., 16 Marine Defense Bn., and 13,981 Supply.

TF 652 Guam Amphib Supply Group (25 Ships): 622,657 supply.


Best Regards,

-Terry

ORIGINAL: pontiouspilot

Good luck! Things should get real interesting in next few turns!! Thanks for updates. By the way you have large gonads!

pontiouspilot-

*chuckling*

El Lobo might shrink them a bit over the next couple weeks.


Best Regards,

-Terry