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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
In China another shock attack of his Armoured corp...and guess what? para drops over Chungking and Chengtu forced the retreating army to move towards Kumming, while preventing the Army south of Chungking of moving[:o][:-][:-]...better not even to look anymore at China...it just drives me mad.

Why do you put with this GH?[X(][;)]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

ORIGINAL: String

I also assume you're gonna pack the area with submarines, move 2-3 atleast into eniwetok hex, and the rest into the approaches. Do you have any torp armed CL's in the area? An omahaha class perhaps?

You should have surplus destroyers so losing a CL and 4 dessies for a chance of torpedoes in the japanese ships and the reduction of the bombardment efficiency will be worth it in my opinion. Ofcourse if you can't afford to lose those assets then don't. Also divide some of your AK's into single ship TF's. That will deplete his ammo even further.

Yes, more than 20 subs are guarding the approaches at Ponape and Eniwetok and 4 subs are stationing at Eniwetok.

That was my original Idea String, to use some of the older CLs armed with torpedoes in the last attempt of defending my base. Problem is that i checked their exp ratings...at night they suck, litterally[:(]...however i may give 'em a try
The single AK tactic has been banned by our HRs due to his complaining about it during the Indian campaign...

Sorry i've tried kept my peace till now, Let me see. He's using every gamey hook and cheat in the game and he has the nerve to complain about single AK blockade runners ?[&:] ( a practice that was used historically in some places). Ohh i'll drop 5 men into a Chinese city and stop 40,000 men moving out and thats acceptable.

Kudos on your patience. I Really want you to kick his scrawny butt back to Japan.

<rant mode off> apologies

GH, why don't tell troll to stop the small unit attack?

Nice thing is much of this trickeration will be done away with in AE. Units will keep moving even if attacked and can even move from one occupied hex to the next presuming they control the requisite hexsides. The paradrops will accomplish nothing other than placing a japanese unit in the hex and they would not control any hexsides and won't be able to retreat until they were the sole unit in the hex.

Hopefully Troll will be gracious enough to offer a rematch when AE arrives...

ORIGINAL: hades1001

GH, why don't tell troll to stop the small unit attack?

As GH already posted, he will get the responce that he is like a small child who doens´t like loosing..

And btw it is already too late IMO. If he stops now, what good it will bring? Maybe less frustratin, but China is a total mess already, Manila is out of supplies..
IMO it is better to accept it now and hope the game will not end once the same tricks will be used against him.

I can see only two possibilities: GH is either gay and he's in love with Troll; or maybe he owes him a damn great deal of money. In both cases don't expect him to admit the obvious truth, the Italian macho is way too proud for that! [:D] [:'(]

Haedes, i don't ask him anymore because he pretty knows what these para attacks cause. If he feels ok with them, i won't ask him to stop. The last time i asked him not to para-drop in non-bases hex he got almost mad at me and treated me like a child who doesn't wanna lose. So i'll rely upon his sense of fairness and that's all.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/15/42

However, maybe our prayers have been listened...or somebody who reads this thread gave a word to Troll...or maybe it was just the stormy weather...however no para-drops this turn and almost 1400 AVs managed to enter at Chungking!, bringing the total amount of AVs to 2800...which is not bad considering that the hex is urban and that we have 8 forts there. Still 4 units didn't move further enough...maybe tomorrow if the weather (or the Troll's sense of fairness) will smile upon us.

In the pacific the situation is pretty stable. As you can see from the screenshot, the Kb has returned to Truk...i bet the next time it comes out it will escort a HUGE invasion TF towards Ponape. I'll do my best to make him pay the price. Marines are keeping on flowing to the little pacific rock of Ponape. The first regiment of the 2nd USMC div is getting positioned there, relieving the marine raiders which are in a terrible shape...
more 155mm guns are being brought by fast transports...hope they can get ashore safely this time without hitting any mine...using only DMSs for this task now...

The second front is being opening. Noumea is springing with troops. As soon as we're ready we'll start taking back the solomons and reinforcing PM.

At Karachi we're thinking again about a RN raid...it will be feasilble in your opinion? It will be worth? ...sending the RN back to the pacific, forcing the blockade?...2 more AIF divisions will worth like gold in Oz in the next months...


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Day Air attack on Kwajalein , at 81,84


Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 5
B-25C Mitchell x 57
B-26B Marauder x 41


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-26B Marauder: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 78

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Day Air attack on Maizuru 2nd SNLF, at 73,80 *at Ponape*


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 12
B-17E Fortress x 61


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Day Air attack on Karachi , at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G3M Nell x 6
Ki-49 Helen x 109

Japanese aircraft losses
G3M Nell: 1 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 23 damaged


Allied ground losses:
93 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 20
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 62

The paradrops will accomplish nothing other than placing a japanese unit in the hex and they would not control any hexsides and won't be able to retreat until they were the sole unit in the hex.

One hopes that AE will further punish such antics with the annihilation of the small units that make such attacks, and paras that drop unsupported into interior hexes in China.

Ground combat at Chungking *para drop*

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 47 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Defending force 83769 troops, 549 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1537

Japanese max assault: 2 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 1614 - adjusted defense: 5177

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Guns lost 1


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Ground combat at Chengtu *para drop*

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 139 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6

Defending force 12208 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 322

Japanese max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 350 - adjusted defense: 383

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 4)


Japanese ground losses:
46 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

The outcome of those paradrops should have been something like this:

[Ground combat at Chungking *para drop*]

Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 47 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Defending force 83769 troops, 549 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1537
Generalissmo Chiang thanks you for your donation to the Kuomintang's war arsenal!
Chinese troops buoyant over victory! 10 EXP gained!

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

I can see only two possibilities: GH is either gay and he's in love with Troll; or maybe he owes him a damn great deal of money. In both cases don't expect him to admit the obvious truth, the Italian macho is way too proud for that! [:D] [:'(]

Actually i don't owe him any money...so what's was your first guess, honey?[:D]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl


The outcome of those paradrops should have been something like this:

[Ground combat at Chungking *para drop*]

Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 47 troops, 1 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2
Defending force 83769 troops, 549 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 1537
Generalissmo Chiang thanks you for your donation to the Kuomintang's war arsenal!
Chinese troops buoyant over victory! 10 EXP gained!

LOL!...yes, that should be a good outcome![:)]

Current situation at Chungking

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
Current situation at Chungking

At this point you need to get every rear area unit behind the lines killed ASAP so they’ll reappear in Chungking in time to prevent the cities fall. So attack him, then attack him again and then attack some more.

It’ll wear your troops down fast and hopefully result in their demise and it’ll also force Japan to use a lot of supplies.

If your units are cut off without hope, shock attack anything that moves every chance you get.

Jim

30 days after your Chinese units die, they show up at Chungking at 1/3 strength. Got to get some of them killed for the overall good.

When I read about the upcoming fate of my beloved Chinese fellows, sent in droves to death for the sake of the Great Capital, I cry inside.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/16/42

Well, i guess it was just the bad weather that prevented him from using the paras over chungking last day.
Today the paras arrived again and so stopped the last 5 units that are struggling to get to Chungking.
jim, i'm forcing the shock attacks everywhere in the Hangchow pocket but none of my units get destroyed...he's very smart and knows the rules of the game, so he's not looking nowhere to destroy my units...he simply pockets them and let them starve...
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In the pacific, our DMS Fast transport managed to bring some more marines to Ponape. The base is repairing very slowly, but however the marines garrison is growing stronger every day.
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The Kb still lingers at truk, refueling and embarking more planes for sure.
The first 16 canadian hurricanes arrived at Eniwetok, while more 250 mines were laid today at the base.

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TF 1192 encounters mine field at Ponape (73,80)

Allied Ships
DMS Boggs
DMS Trevor
DMS Zane
DMS Hopkins

We managed to unload at night and by the first light of the day we were safely back to Eniwetok[;)]
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Naval bombardment of Karachi, at 21,3

Japanese Ships
CA Mogami
CA Nachi
CA Myoko
CA Atago


Allied ground losses:
1089 casualties reported
Guns lost 32

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 10
Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1
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Ground combat at Chungking[8|]

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 92 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Defending force 124597 troops, 701 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 2715

Japanese max assault: 0 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 2691 - adjusted defense: 7093

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
21 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 06/17/42

Another day of waiting...
The KB comes out with the "classic" formation. A Huge CVTF plus 2 strong SCTFs, positioning herself 3 hexes NW of Ponape. Our subs are filling the area, forcing him to move constantly up and down to avoid the risk of a lucky fish... a single AK (one of those who were damaged during the last KB raid), managed in the last 2 days to unload, unspotted, 1000 supplies at Ponape. Today the Kates of the KB caught him, but his sacrifice was very important.
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At the same time two jap subs (one new Ponape and one near Kwalajein) were badly hit by my ASW air patrols, while none of my subs, despite the furious attacks made by the KB's airwings, were hit.
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Everything is ready to welcome the KB at Eniwetok. All my fighters are at 50% Escort, 4 hexes, and all my bombers are set to 4 hexes, naval attacks, at different altitudes (from 5.000 to 28.000 fts!).
The Surface TF is ready. 3 old CL (armed with torpedoes) are escorted by 7 DDs. Plus we have 2 PT TFs and 1300 mines. 23 subs are filling the waters around Eniwetok.
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Ponape Garrison has by now 113 AVs. Most of them are from the first regiment of the 2nd USMC Div. Those guys are fully prepped for Ponape, so they should provide a stiff defence. The 8th Marine CD unit is growing stronger. Now 5 155mm guns are operative on the island, along with 30 AA batteries.
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In China...guess what? Para drops[:D]
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Day Air attack on TF, near Ponape at 73,80

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 15

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Toradja, Torpedo hits 3,&nbsp; on fire,&nbsp; heavy damage *sinks*
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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 35 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2

Defending force 124669 troops, 703 guns, 8 vehicles, Assault Value = 2721

Japanese max assault: 2 - adjusted assault: 0

Allied max defense: 2436 - adjusted defense: 6049

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 8)


Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Still i have to decide what to do with the RN...i don't see how i can threat him directly in india with only 3 brit CVs...while, at the same time those will be extremely valuable in the Pacific...but the voyage is extremely risky and the ultimate result will be the loss of a HUGE amount of PPs.... any suggestion?

If he would split his KB and operate those parts separately, joined US/RN CVs could hold their ground against them, but at the current circumstances it will make nearly no difference IMO. You can´t fight against full KB yet and RN CVs will not change it. You won´t be&nbsp;threat for him until corsair arrives, if he will keep KB together..
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BUT&nbsp;have you consider moving US and RN CVs&nbsp;to Perth&nbsp;instead of only british CVs to Pacific? What about a raid on Palembang or Java?&nbsp;As it looks now, you can´t use US CVs anyway in Truk area while KB is&nbsp;around.. And KB is not tied to this theater because of your CVs, so you can use them elsewhere. Take it as oportunity. Now you know, where KB is (with good part of LBA) and it means all other places are open to raid.. Or if you think Perth is too far away, you can make much shorter trip and raid his supply lines west of Wake. Hit and run..
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ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
The last time i asked him not to para-drop in non-bases hex he got almost mad at me and treated me like a child who doesn't wanna lose. So i'll rely upon his sense of fairness and that's all.

Err right. Sense of fairness. Sorry mate but this kind of stuff infuriates me. A certain irony him getting mad at you for him doing something gamey!

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Still i have to decide what to do with the RN...i don't see how i can threat him directly in india with only 3 brit CVs...while, at the same time those will be extremely valuable in the Pacific...but the voyage is extremely risky and the ultimate result will be the loss of a HUGE amount of PPs.... any suggestion?

Why would the RN in the Pac cost you PP?
Personally I doubt you would look for a carrier battle in the pacific anyway, so there is no need for the RN there. If in turn you are able to get the KB into a traveling mode between IO and Pac the japanese will burn huge amounts of fuel for nothing. But this of course means some serious action on the other end of the map that makes him want KB there...