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RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:16 pm
by Gneckes
Hmmm, two AAMs on the strike loadout?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:32 pm
by kevinkins
Thanks for the clarification Mike. It gave me a chance to look into the Gefest SVP-24, its stated cost advantages and possible targeting issues.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:27 pm
by Gneckes
Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:52 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Gneckes
Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?
Yeah to some extent. This was a way of making a pure fighter into a relatively accurate bomber with unguided weapons.
The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:02 pm
by ExNusquam
Am I right to assume the SVP-24 is a GPS/INS navigation system similar to what's been in use aboard US aircraft for a while?
I mean technically, the US has been doing INS deliveries of dumb weapons since the late 60's with the F-111 and F-4E. The SVP-24 isn't even that new to the Russians - it's been used on the FENCER series for a while.
Source.
The US mostly relies on precision weapons these days.
Because after Desert Storm the US discovered that even using GPS/INS aided delivery systems (F-16 and F/A-18), dumb bombs just can't match PGMs in terms of killing targets efficiently.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:17 pm
by kevinkins
The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 11:24 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: kevinkin
The thing I read is that the system is tied to the specific a/c so if that platform is put out of action all the dumb bombs in storage are back to square one. In low intensity combat that seems OK. But munition storage is less vulnerable than the platforms themselves since the a/c are technically operating in the threat zone. Oh, believing these weapons are sniper-like (Hellfire) with minimal collateral damage seems misguided (pun intended) and full of political consequences on the ground.
I think its just a bombing computer. Bombs aren't really tied to anything.
Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way. They could get more bang for their buck with the AF.
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:20 am
by kevinkins
No, not physically tied, but tied with an operational expectation of the availability of their cache of dumb bombs having more precision.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:29 am
by Gunner98
Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.
The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.
B
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 9:37 am
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Gunner98
Honestly I'm not so sure why the Russians are using the carrier this way.
The have at least three embedded news camera teams on board, lots of great footage, I'm sure the real target is not in Syria.
B
Agreed[:)]
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:07 am
by altipueri
ORIGINAL: Zaslon
ORIGINAL: AlGrant
There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant! [:@]
http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018
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The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."
Oh my God! [X(]
Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:33 pm
by AlGrant
ORIGINAL: altipueri
ORIGINAL: Zaslon
ORIGINAL: AlGrant
There is very little I can say about this that wouldn't sound like a rant! [:@]
http://www.janes.com/article/65445/uk-to-retire-gws60-harpoon-at-end-of-2018
"
The retirement of Harpoon will leave RN warships without a heavyweight surface-to-surface guided weapon (SSGW), opening up a gap in over-the-horizon anti-surface warfare capability.
Furthermore, with the helicopter-launched Sea Skua missile going out of service (OSD) at the end of March 2017, the RN will be devoid of any anti-surface guided weapon for about two years pending the introduction of the Sea Venom/ANL lightweight anti-ship missile on the Wildcat HMA.2 helicopter in late 2020."
Oh my God! [X(]
Would some clever chaps please make scenarios to show how British Sea Power (a pop band, formerly the Royal Navy) take on the Chinese now that we have only 4.5 inch guns and aircraft carriers without aircraft. Actually, taking on Belgium might do.
Well here's one solution [:D]
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/17/solution_to_navy_harpoon_missile_withdrawal_problem/?mt=1479396463310
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 12:57 pm
by Gneckes
I wonder.. how could we all have missed that solution? It's so magnificent in its simplicity!
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:27 pm
by mikmykWS
My guess is this is a move to force a decision.
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:46 pm
by Gneckes
Decision on what?
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:20 pm
by mikmykWS
ORIGINAL: Gneckes
Decision on what?
A replacement.Now that its out there and there is outrage it tends to get folks moving.
Mike
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 3:36 pm
by Gneckes
Makes sense. I guess that's one way to do it.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 10:27 pm
by kevinkins
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/lo ... l-a-secret
Lt. Leslie Hubbell, who is the assistant public affairs officer for Commander Naval Air Forces, confirmed IRON99's identity is a Navy E-6B Mercury, created by Boeing at a cost of $141.7 million per unit.
The unit's overall mission is classified, Hubbell said, but did confirm the mission of the plane's class.
"The overall mission of the E-6B is command, control and communications abilities to direct and employ strategic resources," Hubbell said.
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:48 am
by Bert Blitzkrieg
Another view on the reason why the Dutch (?) submarine was detected by th erUssinas in the Mediterranean:
http://tass.com/world/911375
RE: Naval and Defense News
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 5:34 am
by Cik
well it's probably slow enough to disappear into the radar notch while flying front aspect so there's an advantage
who needs stealth? all you have to do is stand still relative to the defending platform and you're invisible :^)