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RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:58 pm
by Cribtop
Yeah, unfortunately you hit the nail on the head. I launch a well co-ordinated strike and then hide under the storm, conveniently slipping out to land our returning strike package. While this could happen IRL as the ships dodge into a front or squall, it should be a rare event but in fact is quite common.
We're only one day behind the game in the AAR. Coming in the next post - we put some DD named the Gridley in the crosshairs. Anyone ever heard of it? [;)]
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:23 pm
by Cribtop
I see on the boards that CF has been updating his AAR. What I wouldn't give to read the entries for this week! Hair raising stuff, I imagine. Sigh.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 11:06 am
by Crackaces
What I am following in your AAR is how you handle the decision of transitioning to the defense. The game rewards the USN for taking a risk in a very unique way as you very well know each sunk CV will appear in the OOB as a Essex CV just over a year later. So some number of extra Essex class CV's are going to show up in a bunch in the Winter of '43.
My point being that in almost every AAR besides PzB vs. Andy Mac the IJ continue the offensive initiative and then disaster. The IJ are not at all prepared for the onslaught of May '44 and the empire crumbles.
So I will be reading with great interest of where the IJ draw the line and build a defensive ring to hold off the hordes or does the IJ continue to attack until their "Borodino " "Stalingrad" .. Midway ... How will the IJ last until Mar '46? That will be a great read in this AAR as the game matures.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:52 pm
by Panther Bait
As far as I know, there are no "extra" Essex carriers any more in AE, almost certainly not in 1943. The "extra" carriers (Yorktown II, etc.) will get delivered whether you lose the original namesakes or not. The game now allows you to rename them to something else if the originals do not get lost.
Mike
In the original WitP, the Allies actually lost replacement carriers (relative to history) if you didn't lose the originals. For example, if you never lost Yorktown (CV-5), the Allied player never received CV-10 (renamed for Yorktown). The same thing happened to CV-12 (Hornet), CV-16 (Lexington), or CV-18 (Wasp).
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:14 am
by Cribtop
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
What I am following in your AAR is how you handle the decision of transitioning to the defense. The game rewards the USN for taking a risk in a very unique way as you very well know each sunk CV will appear in the OOB as a Essex CV just over a year later. So some number of extra Essex class CV's are going to show up in a bunch in the Winter of '43.
My point being that in almost every AAR besides PzB vs. Andy Mac the IJ continue the offensive initiative and then disaster. The IJ are not at all prepared for the onslaught of May '44 and the empire crumbles.
So I will be reading with great interest of where the IJ draw the line and build a defensive ring to hold off the hordes or does the IJ continue to attack until their "Borodino " "Stalingrad" .. Midway ... How will the IJ last until Mar '46? That will be a great read in this AAR as the game matures.
Excellent post, IMHO. As you can probably tell, I viewed the China offensive as my "Phase II" and do not plan a strategic level "Phase III" offensive. I think it's important to maintain an active defense, but overextension is folly in the long run for Japan.
In the upcoming strategic analysis post, you will see I have rejected the idea of any grand offensive given the relatively late date for that sort of thing and the lack of a strategically valuable target. The plan is for a limited operational offensive or two with the specific purpose of denying CF an easy avenue along the routes he can use with LBA. Reasoning is that he cannot make a big leap without CV superiority, which he will not have until mid '43 after Torres Islands. Thus, we will make the LBA avenues of approach tough on him.
Note however that the goal in all this is attrition at a favorable rate and delay. We cannot occupy DC to win the war. I agree that often JFBs in my position go whole hog and come up snake eyes. We will not throw away the 8ish months or more that CF has just provided to us by evening the CV odds in an Ill-advised adventure.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 12:20 am
by Cribtop
October 27, 1942
We will convert a double post into a new update.
Subs
We had no less than six subs waiting for Enterprise in hopes of making her the fourth fleet CV to go down as a result of the Battle of Torres Islands. No joy. An ASW TF with DD Gridley present engages both RO-33 and RO-68. Then RO-33 takes a shot at Gridley! The DD is smoking, and RO-33 has several kills plus a good skipper, so we hope to hit the star of CF's AAR, but no. Both Gridley and the Big E make port. Damn!
4th Fleet
The C Brigade of 20th Division goes ashore in good order at Baker with 100% prep and good supply... And is shattered by the small number of defenders anyway! Ugh. Odds are 1:99, casualties 0(0) vs 2029(172). Needless to say, we will pick them up and withdraw tomorrow. Invading atolls is hard. The enemy had not reinforced much except for engineers, so the Marine Raider Battalion basically handled a crack IJA brigade. This action is a failure and has an impact on Cribtop HQ. No more atoll invasions for me.
SE Fleet
Overzealous Bettys from Munda attack PTs at Ndeni. No hits, but there is no CAP either because the airfield is closed.
Southern Army
Bombing shows the enemy LCU on the move in NW Oz is the 754th Tank Battalion. Looks like a probe after all. We send two more tank regiments to harass the enemy.
15th Army
We sweep and bomb Akyab round the clock, and the base is hit hard. It's not fully closed, buy it's pretty close.
China
11th Division arrives in the 1st Army AO to keep an eye on the three enemy LCUs that recently moved forward. They are ID'd by bombing as an HQ and two corps of starving ChiComs and have ceased moving now. This in turn frees up 1st Armored Division to board trains for Shanghai and, eventually, Burma.
Combined Fleet
We see hordes of TFs, including a big BB SCTF and the Enterprise TF, at Noumea. We begin a sub blockade of the base while Minelayer subs approach. Should MKB visit here after all to try for Ent? Hmmm....
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:23 am
by Cribtop
October 28, 1942
Subs
Sailfish torpedoes, and Saury finishes, an empty xAK near Kavieng.
We have established a blockade of Noumea with about 20 subs, Including 5 or 6 Glen boats in strategic locations. Two days until we drop mines there as well.
4th Fleet
We fully re-load the Baker survivors without incident and will withdraw due North tomorrow.
SE Fleet
The Munda Bettys again come for Ndeni's PTs at max range. The enemy is out of gas and dead in the water so we actually sink one. We will alter the range of this group to avoid such wasteful attacks.
Southern Army
We now have a good pipeline of fuel moving from Balikpapan to Truk.
15th Army
Akyab is hit again with nominal effect due to weather. However, the goal of forcing CF to abandon this forward base is fully achieved. Today a second crack IJAAF Oscar group upgrades to Mr. Tojo. We will now assault Imphal, home to 70 enemy fighters.
China
BA at Kukong shows raw AS at 901:1039. Despite this, we will DA tomorrow under a max air effort. The enemy here has been cut off and under daily air attack for two months plus and is probably starving and disrupted. If the attack fails we'll bring in another division.
Combined Fleet
We re-fuel from the now empty fleet Oilers today. MKB will sidle East to hunt anything trying for the retiring Baker force.
Construction
Katha and Lashio make forts 3. Namatanai is now airfield 1 and Buka port 1. The second and third lines are building nicely, and the first line is getting awfully bristly. The progress we make on toughening our defenses may be the biggest impact of the carrier victory.
Just looked at Tracker and Trincomalee made airfield 6, Imphal level 7 and Cooktown level 5. Allied engineers are good at their jobs.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:25 am
by Cribtop
October 29, 1942
Subs
We lurk near Noumea. CF sends out an ASW TF but doesn't find us yet. Minelayers will go in tomorrow.
4th Fleet
The Baker TFs retire without interference. A shame really as had CF come for us MKB would have mauled him.
SE Fleet
Lots of re-supply going in to New Guinea and the Solomons now that the coast is clear.
Southern Army
CF is still advancing with the 754th. If he persists we may trap him in a hex. Enemy B-17s come for our reinforcing armor and get good hits. The Nicks will be on station tomorrow.
At Singers, we will load reinforcements for Sabang and Java tomorrow.
15th Army
The enemy recons Prome for the first time.
China
DA Kukong gets a 2:1, casualties 1112(15) vs 625(2). As expected, low supply hurts the six large KMT Corps here. They are doomed.
The enemy up north is either retiring or advancing on Chengting. An attack would be suicide now that 11th Division is on their heels.
5th Fleet
We notice a late season fuel and supply convoy at Umnak and have our Jakes try a Nav attack. CF has moved in a few P-39s and they shoot down 2 Jakes. Worth a shot. Cribtop HQ is worried the enemy is going for a last minute offensive up here, but tomorrow is October 30 and Cribtop Intel doubts it.
Combined Fleet
We loitered near Baker but tomorrow will begin a circuitous route home to Truk for much needed refit.
Construction
Fusan and Pescadores make port level 6. Bataan hits airfield 3. Kalemyo makes level 2 airfield for Cuttlefish.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:49 pm
by Cribtop
Strategic Analysis
October 31, 1942
Friendly Situation
All of Japan's pre-war objectives have been achieved. Namely, we have seized the Southern Resource Area with Oil production 90% intact, established a robust defensive perimeter in the Pacific, isolated China and reduced Chinese controlled territory to an island around Chungking that does not produce enough supply to re-build and support the KMT's defeated armies.
The Battle of the Torres Islands has further shifted the strategic balance in Japan's favor. Three enemy fleet carriers are sunk and one damaged for some months without appreciable damage to Kido Butai in return. This means that the Empire suddenly finds the date of the Allied counteroffensive shifted from "any day now" to, in all probability, the Summer of 1943.
This is a huge boon. What, if anything, do we do with it?
Enemy Situation and Intentions
Cribtop Intel has long assumed a two pronged Allied offensive was in the making. The dominant move would be handled by the Americans in SWPAC, with the anticipated target being the Solomons. A secondary offensive out of Burma by the Commonwealth was also expected.
The Torres Islands result frankly messes this up. Even if he assembles every flat top he has, CF will be outnumbered 2:1 until July '43 or so. Thus, an offensive that requires control of the surrounding seas, even for a short period, is now unachievable without the assumption of enormous risk that KB will show up and ruin the party.
Even though CF is a conservative player, Cribtop Intel doubts he will stand pat for 10 months. He has been on the defensive since December 7 and the sheer boredom must be getting to him. We thus assume that the enemy will be tempted to try an offensive along an avenue of approach that can be supported by LBA.
Intentions and Execution
We are now marching down a well worn path that many JFBs have trod. The common response is to muster forces for one last grand offensive, but it is our opinion this would be folly. Many times the IJN simply puts its head in a noose in early '43 through a combination of increasing capability of the Allied forces and the selection of a target that is not strategically decisive. For example, suppose we risk a lot and seize Fiji or New Caledonia? It's a cool pelt for the trophy wall, but what does this really do for Japan? Nothing, in my opinion. Truly cutting the SLoC to Oz would mean taking Tahiti. Capturing Noumea just moves the SLoC further south and invites overextension.
One target of possible interest is the Line Islands. As PzB and others have shown, taking these bases can result in an unhealthy USN fixation on a single target, with the potential to force further degradation of the enemy's fleet on a battleground of Japan's choosing. However, it is Cribtop Intel's estimate that CF would have secured these islands well by now. We will recon with Glens but probably pass.
What then is left to do? We believe the enemy's options are reduced to those AOs where he can move ahead on the ground or under LBA cover, namely Burma, NW Oz, the Papuan Peninsula (Port Moresby area), the lower Solomons, or NOPAC.
NOPAC will be closed until March, but we will use the Winter to build up supplies, facilities and troop levels. As long as we don't ignore it completely this AO is a sideshow.
NW Oz is deceptively difficult for the Allies. The overland route is hard to supply, while an amphibious campaign via Port Hedland will run into strong IJA defenses and the Imperial Navy.
Thus, we believe some combination of Burma and Operation Cartwheel to be the most likely enemy moves. We will counter as follows.
Burma. Here we will prioritize the deployment of Tojos and try to maintain a favorable air superiority ratio while piling in troops, starting with adding 38th Division and 1st Armored Division to the three plus divisions in theater. We will reinforce Sabang and be ready for raids against Palembang and Singers by increasing air defenses. This is probably all CF can do with his carriers at the moment.
SWPAC. We will build up Lae into a nasty interceptor Base as we expect 4Es to start pounding PM and Milne Bay. In addition, a division or two will begin prep for Ndeni. Capturing Ndeni would impose further delay on the Americans in the lower Solomons and perhaps even force a favorable naval engagement if CF gets impatient.
China. Finally, we will look to continue to starve China and will study an offensive against Kweiyang.
Conclusion
This is perhaps not the most glorious response to the Torres Islands victory, but IMHO it is the correct move. Japan's offensive capabilities are declining vis a vis the Allies, and throwing away the gift of 10 months' delay would be a grave error. If CF can't really get rolling until mid '43, we may keep him at bay for quite some time hence.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:34 am
by Cribtop
October 30, 1942
Subs
Much of the IJN sub fleet is maintaining an ironclad blockade of Noumea from a distance of 2 hexes. In the blockade line, I-4 is ineffectually DC'd by an enemy ASW TF. We delay the Noumea sub mining Op by 24 hours to allow the subs to approach and withdraw in darkness. Not sure it works like that, but it's worth waiting a day.
In one of the more bizarre sub actions of the war, I-9 is DC'd by escorts of a large convoy, hit several times and forced to the surface. Once there, the big sub actually proves to be a match for the small KVs on duty. The I-boat shells and then torpedoes and sinks both one of the KVs and a big xAK! Banzai! We considered a first person write up, but frankly this was such an odd battle we couldn't really come up with anything plausible to explain it. I-9 is hurt badly and will try to limp to Port Hedland, but even if she sinks she has won glory.
SE Fleet
27 B-24s hit the PM airfield. They appear to be coming from Cooktown. Hmm.
Looks like CF is indeed preparing to move under LBA.
Southern Army
The enemy continues to recon and maneuver armor in NW Oz as though he is mounting an offensive or at least an active probe. Cribtop HQ would love to fight here.
Manila makes level 6 airfield.
Combined Fleet
The Yamato TF is safely tucked into Truk. MKB is close behind but taking an easterly route between Ponape and Eniwetok in hopes of dodging enemy subs no doubt lurking and eager to even the odds.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:10 am
by Alfred
ORIGINAL: Cribtop
The C Brigade of 20th Division goes ashore in good order at Baker with 100% prep and good supply... And is shattered by the small number of defenders anyway! Ugh. Odds are 1:99, casualties 0(0) vs 2029(172). Needless to say, we will pick them up and withdraw tomorrow. Invading atolls is hard. The enemy had not reinforced much except for engineers, so the Marine Raider Battalion basically handled a crack IJA brigade. This action is a failure and has an impact on Cribtop HQ. No more atoll invasions for me.
You have drawn the wrong conclusion.
1. Never invade a garrisoned atoll with less than a complete division at least. Invading with only a brigade was a mistake. Would you defend a land frontier using only /A subunits of a division rather than the full parent division? I don't think so, and neither should you attack an atoll so.
2. You have completely overlooked the defensive value provided by non combat units. Just how many of those had been sent to Baker Island? For example 10% of "support squads" of an HQ unit are converted into defensive Assault Value. You therefore faced on Baker Island much more defensive AV than that contained in the Marine battalion. And that is without factoring in whatever the forts might have been, which given the length of time you too to counter invade, might have reached a reasonable level.
3. The fact that you achieved odds of 1:99 on a shock attack also indicates that there was some other game mechanical factor you mishandled.
Alfred
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:20 am
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Alfred
3. The fact that you achieved odds of 1:99 on a shock attack also indicates that there was some other game mechanical factor you mishandled.
Alfred
I agree with Alfred's observations. You are outside the IJ landing bonus and you really have to bring a big hammer. IJ has so few AK's that I always end up having to use some xAKL's or xAK's which causes a lot more disruption upon unloading. The 1:99 (ouch) has to be a result of your troops being almost completely disrupted upon landing. How that happened isn't clear. Either they were onboard too long, or the landing counter-fire was really heavy, or you got a REALLY bad roll ....
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:06 am
by princep01
Very interesting battle re I-9 and the convoy escort. I-9 had to be badly damaged BEFORE the surface battle started. That makes it even more remarkable. My prior impression was that when DCs force a sub to the surface, the reality is that the crew is going to abandon ship as it is SINKING! But Nooooooo.....not with the sons of the Emperor crewing it. They run onto the deck as the sea draws to their knees, man the deck guns and blaze away!!
So far this has not happened to me on those occasions I have forced a sub to the surface. Yes, sometimes they do fire a shot or two, but are quickly dispatched by the escorts or ASW group. Now, I will be much more alert for those LYBs running out with samuari swords and bamboo sticks...not to mention the 6" deck guns.
Question: Is I-9 an especially large IJN sub?
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:04 pm
by 1275psi
ORIGINAL: Cribtop
ORIGINAL: Crackaces
What I am following in your AAR is how you handle the decision of transitioning to the defense. The game rewards the USN for taking a risk in a very unique way as you very well know each sunk CV will appear in the OOB as a Essex CV just over a year later. So some number of extra Essex class CV's are going to show up in a bunch in the Winter of '43.
My point being that in almost every AAR besides PzB vs. Andy Mac the IJ continue the offensive initiative and then disaster. The IJ are not at all prepared for the onslaught of May '44 and the empire crumbles.
So I will be reading with great interest of where the IJ draw the line and build a defensive ring to hold off the hordes or does the IJ continue to attack until their "Borodino " "Stalingrad" .. Midway ... How will the IJ last until Mar '46? That will be a great read in this AAR as the game matures.
Excellent post, IMHO. As you can probably tell, I viewed the China offensive as my "Phase II" and do not plan a strategic level "Phase III" offensive. I think it's important to maintain an active defense, but overextension is folly in the long run for Japan.
In the upcoming strategic analysis post, you will see I have rejected the idea of any grand offensive given the relatively late date for that sort of thing and the lack of a strategically valuable target. The plan is for a limited operational offensive or two with the specific purpose of denying CF an easy avenue along the routes he can use with LBA. Reasoning is that he cannot make a big leap without CV superiority, which he will not have until mid '43 after Torres Islands. Thus, we will make the LBA avenues of approach tough on him.
Note however that the goal in all this is attrition at a favorable rate and delay. We cannot occupy DC to win the war. I agree that often JFBs in my position go whole hog and come up snake eyes. We will not throw away the 8ish months or more that CF has just provided to us by evening the CV odds in an Ill-advised adventure.
Agree totally
In my AAR, August 43, and Japan has only just started fighting for Lea
Not overshooting allows you a far better defence, and gives a lot of extra troops too
In my opinion, THE most important thing, is to never allow those air flottillas, 21, 22, 23, 24 ect, to get destroyed or isolated, always have prepared fields further back for them.
They allow torpedo bombers, and only they can do real air inflicted damage
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:07 pm
by 1275psi
ORIGINAL: Cribtop
Strategic Analysis
October 31, 1942
Friendly Situation
All of Japan's pre-war objectives have been achieved. Namely, we have seized the Southern Resource Area with Oil production 90% intact, established a robust defensive perimeter in the Pacific, isolated China and reduced Chinese controlled territory to an island around Chungking that does not produce enough supply to re-build and support the KMT's defeated armies.
The Battle of the Torres Islands has further shifted the strategic balance in Japan's favor. Three enemy fleet carriers are sunk and one damaged for some months without appreciable damage to Kido Butai in return. This means that the Empire suddenly finds the date of the Allied counteroffensive shifted from "any day now" to, in all probability, the Summer of 1943.
This is a huge boon. What, if anything, do we do with it?
Enemy Situation and Intentions
Cribtop Intel has long assumed a two pronged Allied offensive was in the making. The dominant move would be handled by the Americans in SWPAC, with the anticipated target being the Solomons. A secondary offensive out of Burma by the Commonwealth was also expected.
The Torres Islands result frankly messes this up. Even if he assembles every flat top he has, CF will be outnumbered 2:1 until July '43 or so. Thus, an offensive that requires control of the surrounding seas, even for a short period, is now unachievable without the assumption of enormous risk that KB will show up and ruin the party.
Even though CF is a conservative player, Cribtop Intel doubts he will stand pat for 10 months. He has been on the defensive since December 7 and the sheer boredom must be getting to him. We thus assume that the enemy will be tempted to try an offensive along an avenue of approach that can be supported by LBA.
Intentions and Execution
We are now marching down a well worn path that many JFBs have trod. The common response is to muster forces for one last grand offensive, but it is our opinion this would be folly. Many times the IJN simply puts its head in a noose in early '43 through a combination of increasing capability of the Allied forces and the selection of a target that is not strategically decisive. For example, suppose we risk a lot and seize Fiji or New Caledonia? It's a cool pelt for the trophy wall, but what does this really do for Japan? Nothing, in my opinion. Truly cutting the SLoC to Oz would mean taking Tahiti. Capturing Noumea just moves the SLoC further south and invites overextension.
One target of possible interest is the Line Islands. As PzB and others have shown, taking these bases can result in an unhealthy USN fixation on a single target, with the potential to force further degradation of the enemy's fleet on a battleground of Japan's choosing. However, it is Cribtop Intel's estimate that CF would have secured these islands well by now. We will recon with Glens but probably pass.
What then is left to do? We believe the enemy's options are reduced to those AOs where he can move ahead on the ground or under LBA cover, namely Burma, NW Oz, the Papuan Peninsula (Port Moresby area), the lower Solomons, or NOPAC.
NOPAC will be closed until March, but we will use the Winter to build up supplies, facilities and troop levels. As long as we don't ignore it completely this AO is a sideshow.
NW Oz is deceptively difficult for the Allies. The overland route is hard to supply, while an amphibious campaign via Port Hedland will run into strong IJA defenses and the Imperial Navy.
Thus, we believe some combination of Burma and Operation Cartwheel to be the most likely enemy moves. We will counter as follows.
Burma. Here we will prioritize the deployment of Tojos and try to maintain a favorable air superiority ratio while piling in troops, starting with adding 38th Division and 1st Armored Division to the three plus divisions in theater. We will reinforce Sabang and be ready for raids against Palembang and Singers by increasing air defenses. This is probably all CF can do with his carriers at the moment.
SWPAC. We will build up Lae into a nasty interceptor Base as we expect 4Es to start pounding PM and Milne Bay. In addition, a division or two will begin prep for Ndeni. Capturing Ndeni would impose further delay on the Americans in the lower Solomons and perhaps even force a favorable naval engagement if CF gets impatient.
China. Finally, we will look to continue to starve China and will study an offensive against Kweiyang.
Conclusion
This is perhaps not the most glorious response to the Torres Islands victory, but IMHO it is the correct move. Japan's offensive capabilities are declining vis a vis the Allies, and throwing away the gift of 10 months' delay would be a grave error. If CF can't really get rolling until mid '43, we may keep him at bay for quite some time hence.
4 or five divs in burma
Not nearly enough
If he makes it his main thrust, you need at least ten or eleven
I had 5 there, and robert lee rolled straight over the top of me late 42...........
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 12:25 pm
by Cribtop
Great, but scary, info, 1275. Were the Allies required to pay PPs to move Indian units into Burma in your game? Did the enemy make a max effort with Australian and US divisions? Note that in the medium to long term, we plan to be able to pull out numerous divisions from China as that nation starves and its forces become (more) combat ineffective. Some will go to the Pacific, but many are earmarked for Burma. We may need to accelerate the timetable. Hmm.
@Princep - good to see you back on the boards! I-9 is a type A1 sub, a big Glen boat designed to be a sub command vessel. Thus, she is indeed one of the larger IJN subs. In reviewing the combat replay, she was hit by one penetrating DC and then one of many near misses started a fire in the control room. Perhaps the fire forced her to the surface with more structural integrity left than most subs in her position. Either way, her glorious fanaticism is appreciated.
@Alfred and PaxMondo - I will dig up the combat report, post it and comment soon. Thanks for your input as we sometimes can learn more from failure than from success. Sigh.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:25 pm
by Crackaces
I am thinking it is not only a matter of how many divisions but where they are drawing the line. Defend the Irrawaddy valley and I would agree 10 or 12 divisions would be needed. But defend the jungle line Akyab, Kalemyo, Warazup with a X3 defense is a little harder to break.
The stacking limits map makes such an attack for the Allies complete folly ..
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:42 pm
by FeurerKrieg
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Alfred
3. The fact that you achieved odds of 1:99 on a shock attack also indicates that there was some other game mechanical factor you mishandled.
Alfred
I agree with Alfred's observations. You are outside the IJ landing bonus and you really have to bring a big hammer. IJ has so few AK's that I always end up having to use some xAKL's or xAK's which causes a lot more disruption upon unloading. The 1:99 (ouch) has to be a result of your troops being almost completely disrupted upon landing. How that happened isn't clear. Either they were onboard too long, or the landing counter-fire was really heavy, or you got a REALLY bad roll ....
Those noncivilian AK's are worth gold for Japan after the landing bonus is gone. I've been getting as many as I can into the yards for conversion early on (Jan 42) because I know I'll need them if I'm going to maintain any counterattacking ability from Mid-42 on.
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:19 am
by jrcar
IMHO correct move going on the defensive.
Need at least 6 div in Burma... yup you run out of them quick.
Sumatra is a relatively short hop...
Need a 2-3 div reserve on good amohib ships, xAP and AK.
Agree a minimum of a div, better two, for any invasion of a defended locality by sea... by either side!
Dig Dig Dig!
Cheers
Rob
RE: Wait, I can't read Cuttlefish's new AAR? - Cribtop (J) vs CF (A)
Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 2:32 am
by Cribtop
October 31, 1942
CF is on a short vacation this weekend. We will catch up the AAR and then post the combat report from Baker for analysis.
Subs
Our Minelayer subs go for Noumea in the night and drop their eggs. They encounter a powerful SCTF flagged by BB North Carolina and a DD hits I-121. The sub will limp for Tulagi to pump out. Worse, my esteemed opponent was smart enough to have AMs on duty, so the mines are quickly swept. Worth a shot. Next up, we will send a mini to try for Enterprise.
An IJN ASW TF reacts onto Sturgeon near Singers but then fails to attack. [8|]
4th Fleet
No change.
SE Fleet
Ryuho and Chiyoda make Rabaul safely. We are a bit concerned as Rabaul is just within extreme 4E range of Cooktown, but for now are more concerned about subs if we try to move the damaged ships. We will post a big Zero Hikotai and an elite Nick group on CAP.
Speaking of Nicks, we intercept 27 B-24s over PM and shoot one down outright.
Southern Army
Recon spots two armored units marching north out of Tennant Creek. This could be a feint, but looks like an offensive. We hope so as Allied supply is tenuous and our local reserves are plentiful.
15th Army
No change.
China
No change.
Other
Several badly needed training groups arrive in the Home Islands. We have literally hundreds of trained pilots in every category except for IJNAF fighters. The new groups will help with that.