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ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....

I would think that there would be dozens of these ships/counters. Didn't a lot of the minor countries have ships from WW I?

Warspite1

Yes, loads of British, Japanese, French, Italian and US plus smaller nations who bought cast offs (not too many German though [:D]).

The more clues made available, the easier it gets obviously, but I want to know at what point i.e. what level of detail will make the question too easy. I do not expect anyone to get it from the first three clues, unless it was a lucky guess.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....

Warspite1

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action

More to follow (unless someone gets it)

Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores

Campbeltown was lost due to our own action - it was deliberately rammed into the dock!
I was guessing at a trick question!

ORIGINAL: patchogue

Campbeltown was lost due to our own action - it was deliberately rammed into the dock!
I was guessing at a trick question!

Warspite1

Okay - but I think that would have been a very shabby trick on my part [:(]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Okay next one - as a better way to test the usefulness (or otherwise) of the clues I will provide these at various intervals and see which clue is the one that gives it away:

Which ship am I?

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars

More to follow.....

Warspite1

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action

More to follow (unless someone gets it)

Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores

Warspite1

Not sure where to pitch this next clue exactly but I'll go for:

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Warspite1

Okay, next clue and a recap of the previous three:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores

Warspite1

Not sure where to pitch this next clue exactly but I'll go for:

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not

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I have no clue yet but I do like this type of questions.

Even when I suspect the answer will make me feel as dumb as I really am. [:D]

Ok  when I was a kid we would yell uncle to indicate we were giving up when wrestling.

UNCLE, Uncle, uncle....

Okay, this should be the decider:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not

Final clue:

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not
The tragic accident saw me literally cut in half, resulting in 338 of my crew being killed,
while the ship that hit me was so big she barely noticed the incident

The drink/dutch link suggests orange...but still no idea!

HMS Curacoa ( sunk October 2, 1942)

British light cruiser of 4,290 tons was engaged mainly in convoy escort duties during WWII. It was while escorting the Queen Mary that disaster struck. The Cunard White Star liner was carrying 15,000 American troops to England when the Curacoa's lookout reported what he thought was a submarine on the port bow. The Queen Mary turned sharply to starboard and the Curacoa, in pursuit of the suspected U-boat, crossed her bows with insufficient clearance causing the two ships to collide. Proceeding on a zigzag course at a speed of twenty eight and a half knots the Queen Mary knifed through the escort cruiser cutting her in two, the halves separated by about 100 yards. Fearful of U-boats in the area and aware of his responsibility to his passengers, the captain did not even slow the ship down until it entered the safer waters of the Firth of Clyde. The 'Queen' was badly damaged, her bow plates folded back at least forty feet into the ship. A total of 338 men aboard the Curacao died as a result of this tragedy (25 officers and 313 ratings) There were 26 survivors. The incident occurred some 20 miles off the coast of Donegal, Ireland.

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

HMS Curacoa ( sunk October 2, 1942)

British light cruiser of 4,290 tons was engaged mainly in convoy escort duties during WWII. It was while escorting the Queen Mary that disaster struck. The Cunard White Star liner was carrying 15,000 American troops to England when the Curacoa's lookout reported what he thought was a submarine on the port bow. The Queen Mary turned sharply to starboard and the Curacoa, in pursuit of the suspected U-boat, crossed her bows with insufficient clearance causing the two ships to collide. Proceeding on a zigzag course at a speed of twenty eight and a half knots the Queen Mary knifed through the escort cruiser cutting her in two, the halves separated by about 100 yards. Fearful of U-boats in the area and aware of his responsibility to his passengers, the captain did not even slow the ship down until it entered the safer waters of the Firth of Clyde. The 'Queen' was badly damaged, her bow plates folded back at least forty feet into the ship. A total of 338 men aboard the Curacao died as a result of this tragedy (25 officers and 313 ratings) There were 26 survivors. The incident occurred some 20 miles off the coast of Donegal, Ireland.

Warspite 1

Well done Greyshaft!!

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
At this point I should attach the counter - but I do not know how to; Froonp help!!

I saw service in both the First and Second World Wars
Curacoa joined the fleet during the last year of the First War. She was badly damaged during the Norwegian operation in the Second.

I failed to survive the second conflict but was not lost to enemy action
She was sunk on 2nd October 1942 (see below)

My loss was caused by a tragic accident not far from my home shores
She was lost off the coast of Ireland - I have read between 20 and 40 miles

My name suggests I was likely to have been part of the Royal Netherlands Navy..but I was not
Curacoa or Curacao is an island in the Dutch West Indies or Netherlands Antilles

Some people think I was named after a drink...but I was not
It is the name of an Orange based liqueur, now mostly made in Holland

The tragic accident saw me literally cut in half, resulting in 338 of my crew being killed,
while the ship that hit me was so big she barely noticed the incident
Curacoa, which like many of her sisters, had been converted to an anti-aircraft cruiser, was sent to provide AA cover for the incoming ocean liner turned troopship RMS Queen Mary which had around 15,000 troops aboard. Queen Mary was coming to the end of her transatlantic journey and all ships in the escort were zig-zagging as standard procedure. Queen Mary was travelling at around 28 knots when she literally sliced the poor cruiser in two. As per standing orders, she did not stop but headed for the Clyde. Sadly 338 of a crew of around 414 died, many trapped within the ship when the disaster struck. A board of enquiry later pronounced blame as being 1/3 Queen Mary and 2/3rds Curacoa.

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.

Warspite1

At this stage - not a clue. Will there be more clues if no one gets it?

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

Does the winner ask the next quiz?

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.

NOTE: There are different version of this incident.

Warspite1

At this stage - not a clue. Will there be more clues if no one gets it?

Need more clues. NEED MORE CLUES!

I'll guess a Russian.....

On the Curacao I was going to guess the Brazilian CL the "Bahia" which is also a drink but not much of a Dutch sounding name. I didn't know if it was in WWI either. My WiF counter does show that it sank in July 1945 so I thought that could have likely been an accident...

ORIGINAL: brian brian

On the Curacao I was going to guess the Brazilian CL the "Bahia" which is also a drink but not much of a Dutch sounding name. I didn't know if it was in WWI either. My WiF counter does show that it sank in July 1945 so I thought that could have likely been an accident...

Warspite1

It was indeed an accident......

[4310 Bahia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 18,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 26.5 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 4.7-inch (120mm), 6 x 3-pdr (47mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 3,100 tons
.B Thickest armour: No belt armour
.P As part of the Brazilian naval expansion program in the early years of the
20th Century (see Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo), the Brazilian Government ordered
two cruisers in 1907.
.P The two ships of the Bahia-class, Bahia and Rio Grande Do Sul, were designed
and built in the United Kingdom and were based on the Royal Navy`s scout cruisers
of the Adventure-class. They were each named after a Brazilian State.
.P As scout cruisers, these ships were fast and lightly armoured vessels and both
ships exceeded their designed speed in trials.
.P They saw service in the First world War, after which, in the twenties, they
had replacement machinery fitted that further improved their top speed. The ships
remained in service long enough to take an active part in World War II after the
Brazilian declaration of war on Germany in August 1942.
.P During the war the Bahia-class ships were mostly used to escort merchant
vessels in the South Atlantic. The war was almost over when, on the 4th July 1945
while operating in the South Atlantic, the Bahia suffered an internal explosion
causing her to quickly sink with the loss of 294 officers and crew.
.P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

I appear as a counter in World In Flames
At this point I should attach the counter - but I do not know how to; Froonp help!!

I think all the counters have the ship name on them. That might be too much of a giveaway. OTOH I'd have a fighting chance on these questions then.

ORIGINAL: warspite1

[4310 Bahia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 18,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 26.5 knots
.B Main armament: 10 x 4.7-inch (120mm), 6 x 3-pdr (47mm) guns
.B Displacement (standard): 3,100 tons
.B Thickest armour: No belt armour
.P As part of the Brazilian naval expansion program in the early years of the
20th Century (see Minas Gerais and Sao Paulo), the Brazilian Government ordered
two cruisers in 1907.
.P The two ships of the Bahia-class, Bahia and Rio Grande Do Sul, were designed
and built in the United Kingdom and were based on the Royal Navy`s scout cruisers
of the Adventure-class. They were each named after a Brazilian State.
.P As scout cruisers, these ships were fast and lightly armoured vessels and both
ships exceeded their designed speed in trials.
.P They saw service in the First world War, after which, in the twenties, they
had replacement machinery fitted that further improved their top speed. The ships
remained in service long enough to take an active part in World War II after the
Brazilian declaration of war on Germany in August 1942.
.P During the war the Bahia-class ships were mostly used to escort merchant
vessels in the South Atlantic. The war was almost over when, on the 4th July 1945
while operating in the South Atlantic, the Bahia suffered an internal explosion
causing her to quickly sink with the loss of 294 officers and crew.
.P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948.

".P Her sister survived the war and was scrapped in 1948." has nothing to do with this ship discription.

It should be under "Rio Grande Do Sul" not "Bahia".

Hope you give credit to Wikipedia for your source of reference to the Brazilian cruiser Bahia.

1. I am a high ranking officer.
2. During a high-level conference in the middle of WWII one of the people at the conference drew his gun and deliberately fired it.
3. I was hit by the bullet but survived.
4. The pistol shot was meant as a demonstration.
5. The demonstration was successful except that the bullet was not meant to hit me.
6. Those British Boffins are crazy!!!