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One good this I see from this AAR is there are a lot less planes flying, and it's going to be harder to keep up large air raids in AE.

edit: I enjoyed the AE preview here and I hope that we see more soon (but don't delay release just for me [:D])

This thread isn't going to terminate, despite the efforts of a certain party. We just got a new build out, and TheElf (along with the rest of us) is busy with it. Expect service to resume shortly.

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This thread isn't going to terminate, despite the efforts of a certain party. We just got a new build out, and TheElf (along with the rest of us) is busy with it. Expect service to resume shortly.

Oh great. And I just discovered it!

Why do I feel like AE is going to turn me into a noob again? [:(][;)]

Don't worry your little football-shaped head. There's no AE.[:'(]

ORIGINAL: Terminus
Don't worry your little football-shaped head. There's no AE.[:'(]

Don't try that 'Area 51' stuff on us - we won't be fooled:

ORIGINAL: Terminus
This thread isn't going to terminate, despite the efforts of a certain party. We just got a new build out, and TheElf (along with the rest of us) is busy with it. Expect service to resume shortly.

Unless you were talking about a new build of some scale models... darn!

DANCE, PUPPETS, DANCE!!!

ORIGINAL: vonSchnitter
All I am saying is - to my lights AE has not changed a jota compared to WitP in the light of carrier clashes in a PBM environment. Just a lesson learned statement.

Cheers

If you are basing your last few posts and this assertion on the data gleaned from this thread, that is an awfully small data sample. Add in the idea that this is a one-off run of an early component of a not yet ready for production version the game, and it sounds to me as if you are not only jumping to an entirely unwarranted conclusion, you are making a running flying leap at it. I'd wait just a little bit before making any grandiose proclamations based on inadequate data at this point.

TTFN...

Oh, BTW Elf...
I'd just love to see the ships status screens on the Lex and Yorktown following this little soiree.

Shalom;
Rev. Rick

ORIGINAL: Terminus

This thread isn't going to terminate, despite the efforts of a certain party. We just got a new build out, and TheElf (along with the rest of us) is busy with it. Expect service to resume shortly.

Excellent (said Mr Burns style including waggling of fingers)

ORIGINAL: RevRick

Oh, BTW Elf...
I'd just love to see the ships status screens on the Lex and Yorktown following this little soiree.

Shalom;
Rev. Rick

Coral Sea is an unmitigated failure for the IJN. The indecision (combined with weather) on the part of CARDIV 5 and thinly protected invasion force give the Americans the window of opportunity they need to strike a decisive blow to any IJ aspirations of routing ABDA forces from New Guinea.

The victory is costly though, and the ability of the eroded Aussie and American defenders of PM to continue in the face of increasing pressure remains in question.


The disparity of IJN AirGroups destroyed is due to the immediate nature of their Carrier's demise. Fragments of these units still abound at Rabaul and Lae. They will likely be disbanded into the Tainan groups or sent home.


Units of note UPDATE: Post Coral Sea

IJNAF

Tainan Ku S-1
LCDR Kawai LDR: 59 Insp: 83 Air: 65 Aggr:80
Unit EXP: 89 MOR: 99->96 FAT: 12->23 Kills: 14->20 (6 kills for the group following a poor early showing in the day )
30% CAP 70% SWEEP @ 5k’ 4 A/c lost, all apparently to Air Combat -- 1 KIA, 3 MIA
READINESS:
A/c -- 21->14s/0m/1->4d/0r -- in addition to the loss of 4 A/C, 4 more will be sidelined with varying degrees of combat damage
Pilots -- 18 for tomorrow (the loss of 4 Veterans is a hard knock)


Tainan Ku K-2 (A6M2-21 @ Rabaul)



LCDR Nakajima LDR: 73 INSP: 80 AIR: 74* AGG: 75*
Unit EXP: 85 MOR: 99 FAT: 10->14 Kills: 9->11 (2 kills...not a good showing)
0% CAP 100% ESCORT @ 16k’ (Max effort today in support of the invasion force)
READINESS:
A/c -- 13->11s/0m/6->5d/0r -- 3 A/C lost to A2A for sure. Seems they came out on the short end...
Pilots -- 19 ready (3 KIA)
Morale remains high...likely due to LCDR Nakajima's Inspiration.


Genzan Ku K-1 (G3M2 Nell at Rabaul)



LDR is LTJG Ogawa ---- LDR: 85 INSP: 82 AIR: 28^ AGG: 23(Ogawa sat this one out, LT Mizuno led the group today...)
LDR is LT Mizuno ---- LDR: 60 INSP: 72 AIR: 63^ AGG: 49 (he won't win any citations for bravery but he has the makings of a cautious, skilled Bomber LDR)
Unit EXP: 79 MOR: 99 FAT: 7 (one raid for the day resulting in some hits!)
AF Attack @ PM 16k’ ( 2% Bomb Acc...a 1% increase!)
READINESS:
A/c -- 26s/0m/0d/0r -- No change
Pilots -- 24 ready (no additions)

4th Ku K-1(G4M2 Betty at Truk)
LDR is LCDR Nagaishi is out! ---- LDR: 43 INSP: 37 AIR: 55 AGG: 28 (Nagaishi is now in charge of AF operations, his replacement has arrived)
LDR is LCDR Egusa---- LDR: 53 INSP: 70 AIR: 67 AGG: 84 (an Aggressive, inspirational man who prefers to let others Lead. His skills should pay off.)
Unit EXP: 77 MOR: 81->79 FAT: 1->5 (Bomb Acc is up to 3%. Seems these two know their business)
AF Attack @ PM 16k’ (PM is the target)
READINESS:
A/c -- 27s/0m/0d/0r --
Pilots -- 27 ready (no additions)

RAAF at Port Moresby[/b]

No 75 Sqdn (Kittyhawk IA)
FLT Jackson ---- LDR: 66 Insp: 78 AIR: 66 AGG: 58 (Promising/Careful)
Unit EXP: 68 MOR: 73->80 FAT: 1 Kills: 5->6 (1 at a time it seems. FAT remains low owing to few machines available.)
CAP 100% ESCORT 0% @ 24k’ Max effort with so few A/C.
LossesDAY 5 = 1 to A2A
READINESS:
A/C -- 3s/0m/14d/0r (no change, though it's possible some A/C were fixed and others damaged, hard to say)
Pilots -- 20 ready (no losses)

No 76 Sqdn (Kittyhawk IA)
EXP: 37 MOR: 58->54 FAT: 2 Kills: 4 (Not much change. However with only 3 flyable planes what should you expect?)
CO: SLDR Hampshire L62-I79-A75-Ag70
CAP 100% ESCORT 0% @ 22k’[/b] Same Max Effort
Losses: 3 to A2A
READINESS:
A/c -- 5->2s/2->1m/9->10d/0r (down to 2 servicable Aircraft. Might be time to move to the rear.)
Pilots -- 20 ready (no losses! A good day for SAR.)

Here is the 36th PS following their first action in relief of the Aussies.

36th Pursuit Sqdn(P-39D)
EXP: 65->66 MOR: 83->90 FAT: 8 Kills: 2->5 (3 Zekes to add to the tally)
CO: MAJ Tomkins L60-I71-A72-Ag87 Skilled and VERY aggressive!
CAP 100% ESCORT 0% @ 15k’[/b] Max Effort
Losses: 1 A2A
READINESS:
A/c -- 5->6s/2->0m/11d/0r (Actually end up with one more Servicable Dog...)
Pilots -- 18 ready (No Losses)

Introducing...

35th Pursuit Sqdn(P-400)
EXP: 63 MOR: 73 FAT: 16 Kills: 4 (A decent start, though losses are nearly twice their take for the day)
CO: MAJ McCauley L58-I69-A70-Ag73 Skilled and aggressive!
CAP 50% ESCORT 50% @ 15k’[/b] Max Effort and altitude...
Losses: 7 A2A (Owing to their ceiling)
READINESS:
A/c -- 0s/0m/9d/0r (Actually end up with one more Servicable Dog...)
Pilots -- 11 ready (1 KIA, 3 WIA)

Losses A2A total
21 Kittyhawks
24 Zekes
3 P-39
7 P-400
1 Nell

What's the meaning of WOff in the losses screen in the ari unit screen? Near Ops. Thanks!

Write off's

ORIGINAL: Local Yokel

ORIGINAL: Elouda

Well, IF its doable, it should be used where historically accurate - so AFAIK, only the Sangamons would be able to launch torpedo strikes, and probably only carry enough torpedoes for a few.

Agreed!

Im sure the people working on AE are more aware of what could and couldnt launch torpedo planes than I am.

(Edit - I guess Mini-KB just lost its teeth. )

In the immortal words of Alec Guiness, "What have I done?" [:D]

OK, for full historical verisimilitude, now find a way to limit Junyo/Hiyo to launching only 6 torpedo-armed Kanko apiece [:'(]

While I'm about it, I count 20 torpedo drops by the TBD's. With Sho. charging around with a 34 knot capability and the Mark 13's having a speed IRO 33.5 knots, isn't a 20% hit+detonation rate just the teensiest bit on the fortunate side?

Isnt it plausible that Shokaku took 6 x 1000lb bomb hits before the TBDs made their hits?

Hello Elf,

Great thread. Very informative and very well written.

I did have a question on the recent screenshots, though. What are the numbers in parentheses above the various columns in the air losses screenshot? 

Thanks,
Mike

It's the total number of aircraft lost to the reason in that column.

ORIGINAL: cantona2

Write off's

Is there a difference in game terms?

What means "Using BOMBS" in screenshot of Nell unit?

Unit is in editor set to use only bombs?
Unit is set by player to use only bombs?
Unit is based in a base where no torpedos are available?

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

What means "Using BOMBS" in screenshot of Nell unit?

Unit is in editor set to use only bombs?
Unit is set by player to use only bombs?
Unit is based in a base where no torpedos are available?

Players can now decide what loadout to be used? Or based at a base that doesn´t meet the requirements to use torps?

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

What means "Using BOMBS" in screenshot of Nell unit?

Unit is in editor set to use only bombs?
Unit is set by player to use only bombs?
Unit is based in a base where no torpedos are available?

Players can now decide what loadout to be used? Or based at a base that doesn´t meet the requirements to use torps?

Torpedo-carrying air units can be set to use bombs instead of torps. Useful since using torpedoes burns a lot of supplies at land bases (and are in short supply on ships)... Lets you save your torps for the carriers, instead of wasting them on the destroyers.