Demo first Impressions

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

Yup, but it's a free game to you now.

And yes, you're welcome.

Good Hunting.

MR

It's not free I paid $34.95 for Kharkov 3 years ago and I was told I would get a PATCH for it. So where do you get off it's FREE? I paid for it already. Let's ask it this way do people who didn't get Kharkov 3 years ago need to buy Kharkov to get/play Osfront in the next couple of days? No, they just pay for Osfront just like I paid for Kharkov.

[Enigma6584]

My oh my how people can be brutal.

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: diablo1
INFANTRY MODELING IMPROVEMENTS like reduced suppression levels) that GRASS would have come in LAST PLACE.

Do you have any references on what the correct suppression levels should be? I'd like to see them if you don't mind.

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: RedCharlie65

My oh my how people can be brutal.

Well i'm not trying to be but now they are trying to blame me for the release of this game. Like it's my fault it's being released in the state it's being released. I made one observation that the infantry supression levels were too high and then Mad Russian started in on me and then Erik. It was a fricking want not a demand. Then Erik goes into his usual if you don't like it you're bashing it and I won't have that and will ban you routine. I've never seen so much suppression of comments around the board at these sites lately. One used to could voice their opinions without malice. I also made a comment that had there been a poll of what players thought was important to this release that grass would have been dead last and it was according to them but they didn't finish up with the others before going to it imho.

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Mobius

ORIGINAL: diablo1
INFANTRY MODELING IMPROVEMENTS like reduced suppression levels) that GRASS would have come in LAST PLACE.

Do you have any references on what the correct suppression levels should be? I'd like to see them if you don't mind.

Much lower than the stat you are using for them now. I'd set them at 2 in a 1 to 10 scale.

[Enigma6584]

You are looking like you have lost it.  Calm down.  Take a deep breath and step back.  No one looks like they are blaming you.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

Yup, but it's a free game to you now.

And yes, you're welcome.

Good Hunting.

MR

It's not free I paid $34.95 for Kharkov 3 years ago and I was told I would get a PATCH for it. So where do you get off it's FREE? I paid for it already. Let's ask it this way do people who didn't get Kharkov 3 years ago need to buy Kharkov to get/play Osfront in the next couple of days? No, they just pay for Osfront just like I paid for Kharkov.

That's right. In that respect you are owed a free patch. You are also owed 3 years of waiting time.

PCO delivers that to you in spades. The original patch was going to fix a few bugs, very specifically the Tank Commander Who Would Never Die bug. Things outside of Matrix' control kept that from happening in a timely manner.

Far more content than a free patch was added. And Added. AND ADDED. To the point where the game is now a stand alone. And yes, you were in that group Matrix felt an obligation to. And now I think they've fulfilled that obligation.

There were lots of points along the way that Matrix could have said, "the PATCH was finished", and all this other content you could have gotten to pay for. Let's understand that, in all actuality, Matrix is in fact giving YOU, the previous PCK owners, a free game and not just the patch you were expecting.

The ONLY Person I see blaming you for ANYTHING is YOU. Enough of that.

PCO is what it is. Let's move on to what it actually does do for now. Get a wish list thread going for what PC might do in the future and enjoy the game.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

ORIGINAL: Mobius

ORIGINAL: diablo1
INFANTRY MODELING IMPROVEMENTS like reduced suppression levels) that GRASS would have come in LAST PLACE.

Do you have any references on what the correct suppression levels should be? I'd like to see them if you don't mind.

Much lower than the stat you are using for them now. I'd set them at 2 in a 1 to 10 scale.

In fact that is exactly how they are done now. The suppression is 2 factors above the killpower factor on a 1 to 10 scale. So if the killpower is 2 then a hit on a 1 to 10 scale 1 and 2 cause casualties, 3 and 4 suppress.
But suppression can be done at a higher number if the infantry is of poor quality and one less if very good quality.

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: RedCharlie65

You are looking like you have lost it.  Calm down.  Take a deep breath and step back.  No one looks like they are blaming you.

I'm being attacked by Russians and New Yorkers....I'm tellin my mommy. mom! moM! MOM! [:'(]

I'm a customer I want to be treated with respect and with that saying "The customer is always right". [:)]

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Fredrocker
Opinions can be brutal sometimes [:)] and I am still not fond of a lot of the play features 'Orders, Reaction' turns... Guess 11 years set in my ways, its tough to retrain and old dog...[;)] I will get a copy of the game and play it, I just got to find all my PC:K info... [X(] ... And yea, would like to play a battle against you... of course we won't be able to play the best battles cause you probably made them all, and then that would be unfair[:D]... Thanks for all your feedback on stuff Steve.... back to somemore demo play... gotta polish up so I can hold my own with the Mad Russkie!!!!

Hi Fredrocker,

Just wanted to make sure you noticed that the Ostfront in-game options allow you to play with 60 second turns and no reaction phase if you prefer.

Regards,

- Erik

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Mobius

ORIGINAL: diablo1

ORIGINAL: Mobius
Do you have any references on what the correct suppression levels should be? I'd like to see them if you don't mind.

Much lower than the stat you are using for them now. I'd set them at 2 in a 1 to 10 scale.

In fact that is exactly how they are done now. The suppression is 2 factors above the killpower factor on a 1 to 10 scale. So if the killpower is 2 then a hit on a 1 to 10 scale 1 and 2 cause casualties, 3 and 4 suppress.
But suppression can be done at a higher number if the infantry is of poor quality and one less if very good quality.

Hrmmm then another die roll is needed for the supression level alone if that 3 or 4 is rolled. Then you have another factor of 1 to 10 to play with.

[Mad Russian]

ROFL!!!! [:D]  [:D]

Okay then, if you're bringing your Mom into this I'm leaving! [:-]

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: diablo1
I'm being attacked by Russians and New Yorkers....I'm tellin my mommy. mom! moM! MOM! [:'(]

Good luck finding a New Yorker here.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: diablo1

which (correct me if I'm wrong) you are getting for free.

PATCHES have always been free so don't act like you're tossing me a free game here. You know as well as I do this was a patch from the start 3 years ago.

At least be fair enough to realize this is much more than a "patch". If you want the "patch" that it was intended to be originally, sure that contained about twelve bug fixes, no feature improvements and that was about 18 months ago.

regards,

- Erik

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: diablo1
It's not free I paid $34.95 for Kharkov 3 years ago and I was told I would get a PATCH for it. So where do you get off it's FREE? I paid for it already. Let's ask it this way do people who didn't get Kharkov 3 years ago need to buy Kharkov to get/play Osfront in the next couple of days? No, they just pay for Osfront just like I paid for Kharkov.

You know as well as I that your $34.95 bought you a working game that did receive a couple of updates. The final promised update turned into a new release, but the game worked fine without it.

Regards,

- Erik

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
That's right. In that respect you are owed a free patch. You are also owed 3 years of waiting time.

PCO delivers that to you in spades. The original patch was going to fix a few bugs, very specifically the Tank Commander Who Would Never Die bug. Things outside of Matrix' control kept that from happening in a timely manner.

Far more content than a free patch was added. And Added. AND ADDED. To the point where the game is now a stand alone. And yes, you were in that group Matrix felt an obligation to. And now I think they've fulfilled that obligation.

There were lots of points along the way that Matrix could have said, "the PATCH was finished", and all this other content you could have gotten to pay for. Let's understand that, in all actuality, Matrix is in fact giving YOU, the previous PCK owners, a free game and not just the patch you were expecting.

The ONLY Person I see blaming you for ANYTHING is YOU. Enough of that.

PCO is what it is. Let's move on to what it actually does do for now. Get a wish list thread going for what PC might do in the future and enjoy the game.

Good Hunting.

MR

+1

Thanks MR.

Regards,

- Erik

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Mobius

ORIGINAL: diablo1
I'm being attacked by Russians and New Yorkers....I'm tellin my mommy. mom! moM! MOM! [:'(]

Good luck finding a New Yorker here.

Or a Russian either! [:D]

Good Hunting.

MR

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

ORIGINAL: diablo1

which (correct me if I'm wrong) you are getting for free.

PATCHES have always been free so don't act like you're tossing me a free game here. You know as well as I do this was a patch from the start 3 years ago.

At least be fair enough to realize this is much more than a "patch". If you want the "patch" that it was intended to be originally, sure that contained about twelve bug fixes, no feature improvements and that was about 18 months ago.

regards,

- Erik

Ok I'll be fair and you be fair as well. 3 years ago we were told we were getting a PATCH for Khakov, that's all I wanted, Osfront wasn't even in the picture then. It was the patch to me in my eyes that kept getting delayed and delayed and delayed. I come from an area of a country if you give your word you don't need a signature (except for beauracratic bankers and loan sharks). I was told I'd get a patch. Now if you want to add sacks of potatoes to a can of beans well that's fine, but, I wanted my can of beans 3 years ago. So, really because it took so long just to give me/us our patch the sacks of potatoes should be included because of the delay. Even in local restaurants if your order takes sooooooo long to get to you the manager will give it to you for free or a large discount or a coupon for a free meal the next time you come back (if you come back). It's just common courtesy from where I come from. Maybe in the east you folks aren't like that?

But, now that it's here this should no longer be an issue. But, if I do say something that is missing or doesn't seem right about the game NOW it's just observations and wants and wishes. I'm not demanding this stuff just pointing out what I see now that I've finally got something to look at after 3 years. So, don't get your feathers ruffled if I point out 100 things I find I'd like to see or think that are missing. It's better than that 3 year old Khakov game and I gave you that much already. I didn't even get a thank you out of Erik for my recommendations either. <sniff> [:)]

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: diablo1
Hrmmm then another die roll is needed for the supression level alone if that 3 or 4 is rolled. Then you have another factor of 1 to 10 to play with.

So when the killpower level is 2 would put the overall chance of suppression per hit at 4% compared to 20% chance to cause a casualty.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: diablo1


But, now that it's here this should no longer be an issue. But, if I do say something that is missing or doesn't seem right about the game NOW it's just observations and wants and wishes. I'm not demanding this stuff just pointing out what I see now that I've finally got something to look at after 3 years. So, don't get your feathers ruffled if I point out 100 things I find I'd like to see or think that are missing. It's better than that 3 year old Khakov game and I gave you that much already. I didn't even get a thank you out of Erik for my recommendations either. <sniff> [:)]

Fair enough.

I'm not Erik but thanks for all your recommendations and I look forward to your sharing more of them for the upcoming games in the series.

Good Hunting.

MR