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This game and Red Storm look like must-have's based on Matrix "Coming Soon" line-up. I am pretty sure the game that will release with no AI will be around $60, right? I admit I am a bit nervous about the intense install on this one, so will follow the tech forums. Good luck to all!

Ah...installed and running fine on my XP econobox quadcore. Thank you.

ORIGINAL: dutchman55555
Following the Matrix model, this one will go on sale in approximately Autumn 2022.

Which means you'll be able to get it sooner - by Spring 2014 - just tipping 1$ into a jar each week.

Will have to pass on this too. Best of luck to the devs.

ORIGINAL: thewood1


Math error...this game is $80...

$88 CAD. The world is not centred on the USA.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

btw, it took almost 10 years for BFC to discount CMBB and CMAK.

CMBN was released in May 2011, and discounted in December 2012.

I realize that since we are speaking of Matrix pricing your mind may be thinking back 10-15 years, but Battlefront has moved on. A shame Matrix won't.

SO I doublechecked...in US $ to be consistent.

Original CMBN - $55, Original CW module - $35, Upgrade to 2.0 - $10, MG module - $35 = $145 if bought within three to six months of release

Bundles - As much as you can bundle right now $95...in today's US $

CMBN was discounted specifically when the 2.0 update came out.

So again, I'll point out one more time. Command - $80 US, CMBN full up with bundles today - $95 US, Bought on each product release $145 US

CMBN total at release $145 > CMBN today bundles - $95 > Command on release $80

Doesn't matter what currency you use, CMBN bought as each module released is almost twice as much as Command. I am going to go over to the BFC forum and see if I see where you complained about pricing there.

CMBN does have MP so maybe that justified the extra $65 on release.

edit...btw, it took BFC almost 10 years to lower the prices on CMBO. It took them almost 4 years to discount CMSF.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

inaccessible is never being able to afford something. So a game that is only $20-$30 above the average is hardly inaccessible. A Maybach is inaccessible because no matter how long you save, it is still unaffordable.

To use your automobile analogy, "only $20-$30 above the average" would equate to being urged to buy a $32 000 car in a class which was normally $24 000, with assurances it was worth the extra price but not even a test drive allowed before purchase.

Matrix has regularly stated that a major reason why their games are so pricey is because "customers wouldn't appreciate a product if it was priced lower".

Well I'm seeing as many "Sorry, pass" comments as offers to purchase...and this from the Matrix community itself.

So is the $95 from CMBN, even discounted inaccessible?

The other funny thing is that 2-3 of the people complaining about the price have now bought it.

ORIGINAL: thewood1


Doesn't matter what currency you use, CMBN bought as each module released is almost twice as much as Command. I am going to go over to the BFC forum and see if I see where you complained about pricing there.

Went there. Didn't see any.

Funny how this thread about a game just released by one company turned into a shouting match over another game released by a different company.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

SO I doublechecked...in US $ to be consistent.

Original CMBN - $55, Original CW module - $35, Upgrade to 2.0 - $10, MG module - $35 = $145 if bought within three to six months of release

Your point would be valid if Matrix had any plans to permanently discount Command 9-12 months after release. Everyone reading this knows there won't even be a sale on it for the next 3-4 years, let alone a permanently reduced price. (And I think I'm being generous at 3-4 years, just as I found I was too generous predicting that Command would be released at $68-$78.)

ORIGINAL: thewood1

CMBN was discounted specifically when the 2.0 update came out.

Correct, but it was the second price drop. I bought CMBN:CW bundle at the reduced price of $65 in September, 2012, when I finally got a PC capable of running it. 2.0 only came out several months later.

ORIGINAL: thewood1
edit...btw, it took BFC almost 10 years to lower the prices on CMBO. It took them almost 4 years to discount CMSF.

And it took them 19 months to reduce the price on CMBN. See a pattern?

BTW, CMSF was regularly on sale at Gamer's Gate for a decent price, which is when I snagged it. Letting other sites not owned by your company sell your products...what a unique idea.

Probably a good game but $80? I'm out.

I have no problem with the pricing argument being about short term revenue over long term cash flow and concerns about longevity.

But to come in and just whine about the price of a product being too high and then walk over to another company and pay more for an older product makes no sense to me.

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

ORIGINAL: thewood1


Doesn't matter what currency you use, CMBN bought as each module released is almost twice as much as Command. I am going to go over to the BFC forum and see if I see where you complained about pricing there.

Went there. Didn't see any.

Didn't own a computer capable of running CMBN until a year ago, so I had no stake in it. As it is I still haven't purchased CMFI because the price drop for the bundle isn't significant enough yet. But no sense in "complaining about pricing" to a developer/distributor I know will reduce the price in an acceptable period of time. I might as well complain to Valve that they have some nerve selling the products of other companies...

So you never answered my question...is the $95 for CMBN inaccessible?

So $65 plus the $10 upgrade is $75...only $5 cheaper than Command. So either you aren't going to buy anymore CMBN modules, or you will end up spending more than on Command. Even if MG discounts to $25 in a year, that is still more than Command will ever be totaled up.

I am totally confused by your logic. Even after 4 years if they discount to CMSF levels, your most likely still talking $65-$70. Not only that, BFC charged for an upgrade, something some people are fired up that it might be a possibility with Command.

ORIGINAL: dutchman55555
.... but the wind has been completely taken out of my sails.

Wrong genre. I think you want Sid Meier's Pirates!

So what is this CMBN and how is it relevant to this game?

As for Command, the price is the price. Too much for some, not so for others. I didn't know what the price would be but I thought it was going to be expensive. After seeing the amount of detail in the previews and videos over the last year or so, the price, to me, doesn't surprise.

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Funny how this thread about a game just released by one company turned into a shouting match over another game released by a different company.

Actually its the only way to deflate the pricing arguments. Command is not over-priced when compared to other complex wargames.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

So you never answered my question...is the $95 for CMBN inaccessible?

So $65 plus the $10 upgrade is $75...only $5 cheaper than Command. So either you aren't going to buy anymore CMBN modules, or you will end up spending more than on Command. Even if MG discounts to $25 in a year, that is still more than Command will ever be totaled up.

I am totally confused by your logic. Even after 4 years if they discount to CMSF levels, your most likely still talking $65-$70. Not only that, BFC charged for an upgrade, something some people are fired up that it might be a possibility with Command.

You're confused that I continue to buy additional parts of an ever-expanding series (when they reach a price point I find acceptable), as opposed to a single purchase product with a price I find awe-inspiring?

There is a philosophy, held by many even within the Matrix community, that the higher Matrix prices things, the more sales they lose, and the more people they scare away from the hobby. And pricing a new release at $90 absolutely guarantees that anyone who is entertaining the idea of entering the PC wargaming hobby will take a pass. And left with the impression that the hobby is that expensive, they will most likely walk away for good.

ORIGINAL: thewood1

Actually its the only way to deflate the pricing arguments. Command is not over-priced when compared to other complex wargames.

Really. A list of comparably priced, current, equally complex, non-Matrix PC wargames would be appreciated.