RE: Turn 23: 20th November 1941 - 26th November 1941
Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2014 9:17 am
We’ve agreed to open up our AARs as we’ve reached one of the natural breaks in the campaign, so these are my comments on issues that SigUp has identified. But before that, really should say, he’s been an excellent opponent. We both have odd working patterns and playing with someone who makes no demands for return speed is most appreciated. Its also been a game played in a great spirit – the email chat is always one of the fun aspects of PBEM.
Also have to say, his AAR is superbly written, it was a very easy informative read to go over.
Some comments (actually a few), but I’ll try not to raise things where the answer is in my own AAR (I’m assuming most regular readers are following both).
Evacuation Strategy:
As SigUp mentioned, I tended to emphasise everything but the HI. I probably got out too much of the specialist factories (for eg I’ve just evacuated all the Il-2 factories at Moscow). My losses were at Stalino (more of this below) and Kaluga. Beyond that I’ve only lost a few isolated armament factories.
Speed
So far my experience has been 2 campaigns vs the AI, a Barbarossa PBEM and a lot of both SP and PBEM on the various ‘roads to …’. So this is the first proper campaign. Even with our reduction to logistics, I got caught out several times by the sheer speed of the Germans, when well rested. Stalino was one instanance – probably the first time that SigUP cut loose rather than went for an army sized encirclement. The result was I got very little out of the Dombas cities, even if I did poke his over-stretched units pretty hard.
Chaos
Sort of related, a few turns/places, the Luga is a good eg, I thought things were under control. One turn of combat later and it was an utter shambles.
Pockets
As is clear, I mostly attacked into pockets. I had no illusion of anything escaping but obviously I was trying to make SigUp spend an extra turn digesting his recent gains. This is, of course, utterly different to the AI when you get routed out of pockets. In turn, of course, vs the AI, armaments are not too stressed, repairing all the returning shells is proving a huge burden for my already disrupted industry.
One thing I am not sure of is whether or not attacking in was a good idea. I guess any destroyed tanks = good but in an email SigUp said that mostly he had exhausted that particular Pzr Grp in securing the pocket so one turn more to clear it made little difference in terms of when they were ready again.
Rzhev
Of all the pockets this is the one I see as my biggest mistake. I knew it was coming but I was too keen on my level 3 forts (there and in the Valdai) to pull back. The result was another 150,000 prisoners (including some divisions with a few wins to their names) and, far worse, the Panzers reaching the Moskva-Volga canal. That is still my biggest worry for 1942.
Reduced settings
I’ve got no feel for the lower logistics setting so far. Its not really made any real difference (I’ll see it in the winter offensive). The lower morale does show. Around 41-43 is the morale point for the bulk of my rifle divisions and I also thing the returning units are taking at least one more turn to be battle ready (ie >40). Given the imposed morale problems in the summer of 1942 this is going to be interesting.
1942
Not got a clue. I think I am badly placed, not least with that lodgement north of Moscow. But then SigUp scarcely sounds optimistic in his emails.
I think on balance, he’s won 1941, what isn’t clear is if that is a game winning position.
Also have to say, his AAR is superbly written, it was a very easy informative read to go over.
Some comments (actually a few), but I’ll try not to raise things where the answer is in my own AAR (I’m assuming most regular readers are following both).
Evacuation Strategy:
As SigUp mentioned, I tended to emphasise everything but the HI. I probably got out too much of the specialist factories (for eg I’ve just evacuated all the Il-2 factories at Moscow). My losses were at Stalino (more of this below) and Kaluga. Beyond that I’ve only lost a few isolated armament factories.
Speed
So far my experience has been 2 campaigns vs the AI, a Barbarossa PBEM and a lot of both SP and PBEM on the various ‘roads to …’. So this is the first proper campaign. Even with our reduction to logistics, I got caught out several times by the sheer speed of the Germans, when well rested. Stalino was one instanance – probably the first time that SigUP cut loose rather than went for an army sized encirclement. The result was I got very little out of the Dombas cities, even if I did poke his over-stretched units pretty hard.
Chaos
Sort of related, a few turns/places, the Luga is a good eg, I thought things were under control. One turn of combat later and it was an utter shambles.
Pockets
As is clear, I mostly attacked into pockets. I had no illusion of anything escaping but obviously I was trying to make SigUp spend an extra turn digesting his recent gains. This is, of course, utterly different to the AI when you get routed out of pockets. In turn, of course, vs the AI, armaments are not too stressed, repairing all the returning shells is proving a huge burden for my already disrupted industry.
One thing I am not sure of is whether or not attacking in was a good idea. I guess any destroyed tanks = good but in an email SigUp said that mostly he had exhausted that particular Pzr Grp in securing the pocket so one turn more to clear it made little difference in terms of when they were ready again.
Rzhev
Of all the pockets this is the one I see as my biggest mistake. I knew it was coming but I was too keen on my level 3 forts (there and in the Valdai) to pull back. The result was another 150,000 prisoners (including some divisions with a few wins to their names) and, far worse, the Panzers reaching the Moskva-Volga canal. That is still my biggest worry for 1942.
Reduced settings
I’ve got no feel for the lower logistics setting so far. Its not really made any real difference (I’ll see it in the winter offensive). The lower morale does show. Around 41-43 is the morale point for the bulk of my rifle divisions and I also thing the returning units are taking at least one more turn to be battle ready (ie >40). Given the imposed morale problems in the summer of 1942 this is going to be interesting.
1942
Not got a clue. I think I am badly placed, not least with that lodgement north of Moscow. But then SigUp scarcely sounds optimistic in his emails.
I think on balance, he’s won 1941, what isn’t clear is if that is a game winning position.






















