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ORIGINAL: Orm

There is a reason the Romans couldn't defeat Scotland.

In my opinion this is something of a myth.

In my humble opinion the Romans could have occupied it if they had wanted to. I deem it likely that they didn't consider it worth the cost of doing so. The Romans went into the area and then withdrew without being defeated by the Caledonians.

Maybe this isn't the right thread for me to post about this so if we should discuss this further a new thread might be better?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Scotland

I totally expect they done a full recce and thought "Bugger that! It's cold, wet, windy and the men wear skirts...lets go back to Rome and say there's nothing there" [:D]

ORIGINAL: Orm

There is a reason the Romans couldn't defeat Scotland.

In my opinion this is something of a myth.

In my humble opinion the Romans could have occupied it if they had wanted to. I deem it likely that they didn't consider it worth the cost of doing so. The Romans went into the area and then withdrew without being defeated by the Caledonians.

Maybe this isn't the right thread for me to post about this so if we should discuss this further a new thread might be better?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Scotland

warspite1

Well the Scots aren't the only ones. The Cornish believe that they should be independent from the UK. They were never ruled by the Romans apparently in the southwest peninsula......

The polling booths are closed. What's done is done.....

Who won?!! Did we win?? huh? huh? huh? Which way did they go george, which way did they go? (tongue hanging out dripping with drool anticipating the answer??!!) [:D]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

Who won?!! Did we win?? huh? huh? huh? Which way did they go george, which way did they go? (tongue hanging out dripping with drool anticipating the answer??!!) [:D]

warspite1

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The result should be known sometime after 0500GMT I've read.

A yes vote means Great Britain will have to change its name to Adequate Britain.

I don't see how we can have Britain in the title as Britain includes Scotland...

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

We'll see what happens tomorrow morning, hopefully I won't end up having to support England as the Home Nation in the Calcutta Cup in the next Six Nations [:)]

Although to be honest it is a lot more serious than that.

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Really can't see them going for independence. Those undecided are likely to go for the status quo. I reckon it wont be as close as they all think. People on the whole just haven't got the guts to go for it.

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Nearly right - we could have the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, hopefully not though.

ORIGINAL: Wolfe

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Nearly right - we could have the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, hopefully not though.

Out of curiosity, would it really make a great difference if Scotland split off? I guess it would be a bit like California seceding from the United States maybe? On the other hand you would all still be united under the EU more or less, right? So it would be maybe a bit like the United States splitting up and then all of North and South America uniting under an American Union. In a sense it would negate a little local power of a single state but it would still have representation in the EU. Maybe it won't be so bad. If it happens that is.

It's kind of strange, on the one hand there appears to be an obvious movement in much of Europe to split into local areas of Interest but on the other hand there are also the admirable events of late for Europeans to also come together under a larger aegis of cooperation. It sure beats 200 years ago when every European country was practically at war with every other at different times. At least that's maybe an outsider's view.

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Wolfe

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress



I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Nearly right - we could have the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, hopefully not though.

Out of curiosity, would it really make a great difference if Scotland split off? I guess it would be a bit like California seceding from the United States maybe? On the other hand you would all still be united under the EU more or less, right? So it would be maybe a bit like the United States splitting up and then all of North and South America uniting under an American Union. In a sense it would negate a little local power of a single state but it would still have representation in the EU. Maybe it won't be so bad. If it happens that is.

It's kind of strange, on the one hand there appears to be an obvious movement in much of Europe to split into local areas of Interest but on the other hand there are also the admirable events of late for Europeans to also come together under a larger aegis of cooperation. It sure beats 200 years ago when every European country was practically at war with every other at different times. At least that's maybe an outsider's view.

On the face of it fairly straightforward questions - but after two years of debate and campaigning no straightforward answers.

"would it really make a great difference if Scotland split off?" - possibly a huge difference to Scotland and / or the rest of the UK. or then again maybe not.

"you would all still be united under the EU" - not if Spain uses it's veto on an independent Scotland "swift" re-entry or for that matter if the potential upcoming UK referendum takes whatever at that point is the UK out of the EU.

Didn't you chaps have a bit of a tussle about secession yourselves a few years back [:)]

ORIGINAL: wodin

Funny thing is the Scottish get a better deal per head than the English..and if it's a no vote it will get even better.

Doubtful.

Scottish national debt will have to assume a higher bond rate than the English Pound without a currency union. I've seen anywhere from a 1.5-2.7% premium over English debt for Scottish currency-whatever that may be. When combined with their probable social program costs, the additional cost for the Scots to borrow money on the international stage annualized will be a very significant impact. I've seen figures that it will be the equivalent of their expenditures on University and higher education. The same goes for payments to pensions-whether these will be honored in devalued and devaluable Scottish currency or English Pound Sterling is a matter of acute interest to anyone (everyone) with a pension in Scotland.

RBS and other banks are looking increasingly to divest and head South of the border. Contingency plans are being dusted off and there's some very nervous banks and bankers north and south of the border. Were I an English bank, I would be making arrangements to exit Scotland-regardless of the vote-who knows if this sort of thing will happen again in a few years?

I wonder whether this is a bell which, once rung, cannot be unrung. I would not feel pleased with a state that tried (albeit unsuccessfully) to secede from our Union here. The act of asking your wife for a divorce and then retracting that request 24 hours later ("I was kidding, sweetheart!") is unlikely to reverse the mistrust and anguish that the ill-advised question produces.

ORIGINAL: Wolfe

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Nearly right - we could have the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, hopefully not though.

Warspite1

Except that doesn't make sense. There is only one Kingdom; England. Wales is a principality and Northern Ireland is a province.

The board game Hammer of the Scots and the Scottish referendum: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2 ... _the_scots

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Wolfe

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress



I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

Nearly right - we could have the United Kingdom of England, Wales and Northern Ireland, hopefully not though.

Out of curiosity, would it really make a great difference if Scotland split off? I guess it would be a bit like California seceding from the United States maybe? On the other hand you would all still be united under the EU more or less, right? So it would be maybe a bit like the United States splitting up and then all of North and South America uniting under an American Union. In a sense it would negate a little local power of a single state but it would still have representation in the EU. Maybe it won't be so bad. If it happens that is.

It's kind of strange, on the one hand there appears to be an obvious movement in much of Europe to split into local areas of Interest but on the other hand there are also the admirable events of late for Europeans to also come together under a larger aegis of cooperation. It sure beats 200 years ago when every European country was practically at war with every other at different times. At least that's maybe an outsider's view.

Warspite1

[&:] would it really make a difference if my country disappeared? Well yes actually it would. All be united under the EU more or less right? Er no. Nothing of the sort. There is no Federal Europe - at least not yet, and hopefully not in my lifetime.

So just to be clear, if a load of States left the USA, you would be fine with that? And if, instead of the USA being a single sovereign nation in her own right, she was instead just a state within a wider Greater American Union, with a parliament in say Brasilia, and with what is left of the US no longer free to make her own important laws, that is not an issue for you?

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

Isn't Great Britain the name of the island itself?

If Scotland leaves I suppose the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland would have to drop the United part?

I guess they could keep the "United" part couldn't they? There would still be England, Ireland and Wales, right?

I don't think so. It's called such due to the union between the kingdoms of England and Scotland. Wales was never a kingdom.