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RE: OT: Corona virus

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Looks like the stock market has noticed that the world didn't end over the weekend.
There was never a world-ending stock dynamics out there, and current upbeat is a token of appreciation for how China is faring.

But there is a lot of uncertainty about how the situation will play out, both with the direct impact of the virus (cue US ageing unhealthy population, civil liberties and decentralized healthcare) and the reaction of the countries. Both can be destructive to the global economy, again in economic terms not world-ending ones.
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The Masque of the Red Death

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtmyMA4OkCQ

"And the rumor of this new presence having spread itself whisperingly around, there arose at length from the whole company a buzz, or murmur, expressive of disapprobation and surprise --then, finally, of terror, of horror, and of disgust. "
The Masque of the Red Death- Poe

When the outbreak in China was first mentioned in the news and the reports said it was spreading rapidly, some politicians immediately announced that there was no problem in their countries and they (the politicians) had everything under control. They then continued their regular partying and kept up their denial of any threat developing (must not dampen the stock market!).

This struck me immediately as exactly what Poe described in "The Masque of the Red Death" - the nobles shuttered in their locked palace, partying hard and confident that those outside the gates were no threat to them. The Red Death character that walks through their group, smiting them with the contagion, is both a warning that you cannot absolutely insulate yourself from the problems affecting others and a suggestion that God will punish those who fail to assist their fellow man (or woman or confused gender). With the interconnection of the world, there is no place for isolationism to avoid world problems.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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BTW, hand sanitizer is anti-bacterial, not anti-viral. It won't do a thing. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face and eyes, wash your hands. WASH YOUR HANDS
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BTW, hand sanitizer is anti-bacterial, not anti-viral. It won't do a thing. Wash your hands. Don't touch your face and eyes, wash your hands. WASH YOUR HANDS

John-that's incorrect. Depending on the virus, alcohol-based hand sanitizer WILL be a satisfactory disinfectant. But you're right about washing your hands with soap and water and not touching your face/eyes.
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And unless you are built like Tycho Brahe was later in life, don't pick your nose!

Wine has anti-viral, anti-bacterial, and anti-fungal properties.

Virus inactivation by grapes and wines.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC170457/

I am not sure what type of virus the Corona virus is but this is interesting:

Natural Antivirals
http://the-health-gazette.com/496/natural-antivirals/
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Does Blond Ale have any properties cause it sure does taste good tonight!
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Does Blond Ale have any properties cause it sure does taste good tonight!

Beer is considered liquid bread. It is full of trace minerals and is high in boron which is good for the bones. [;)]
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Korea is #2, so on the surface it seems we're screwed, blued and tattoo'd, and you'd better keep all Korean residents (like me) from entering your country.

Below the surface, this is probably the most-tested, most-transparent country regarding this disease. They have drive-through testing stations. You can call a four-digit phone number, find out the closest station, pull up in your car, get a temperature check, answer a few questions, and if they think you're at risk, they'll do a nasal swab (from what I understand), and you'll get the results six hours later. Do you see that anywhere else? Everyone in the 200,000-plus member Shincheonji cult is getting tested, which is why the number of victims jumps about 500 a day here and will for the next week or so as their test results come in. Some buildings require you to wear a mask before entry, so I keep one in my pocket at all times.

My wife's hospital picked up 80 patients from Daegu over the weekend. They cleared out two wings for them. We're still not doing badly in Seoul in terms of numbers, although they've shut down the schools nationwide until March 23. There goes summer vacation. Church services are also being done virtually. We are on half-staffing in the office, which may go to zero percent staffing if we have to.

It's real easy to get a taxi and attendance is down at restaurants and bars, but my local marts have fully stocked shelves. Hoarding is not an issue.

Good luck, y'all.

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Good luck CB, I think Japan and South Korea are probably the best hope for answers and perhaps solutions.
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Good luck CB, I think Japan and South Korea are probably the best hope for answers and perhaps solutions.

Thanks. The local government isn't perfect, but they seem to be good at adapting. They learned from the MERS outbreak in 2015, which hit hardest here outside of the Middle East.

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I am not a medical professional, but to me the Diamond Princess is the closest thing we have to a coronavirus infection laboratory. Or at least a contained environment, where you might be able to look at the numbers and draw some conclusions. As far as we can tell, the virus began with a single passenger who boarded on 1/20 in Japan and departed in Hong Kong on 1/25. He was diagnosed in Hong Kong 6 days later, which is when the cruise line was notified and the saga began.

There's an article (mostly anecdote and innuendo) on what happened aboard during this period. Although readers are advised to have a large grain of salt close to hand, it does suggest that there was a fair amount of chaos involving the process of testing and treatment, and the entire environment was hardly "hospital sterile". Which, for our purposes, is actually kind of ideal since in that sense it's pretty close to what we're going to see as and when this thing rises up elsewhere.

Some numbers:

- 2/1: There were 3700 passengers and crew when the cruise was routed back to Yokohama
- 2/4: The ship arrived and was placed in quarantine.
- 2/6: Announced that 41 passengers/crew tested positive (41)
- 2/9: 66 more positives (107)
- 2/11: 39 positives (146)
- 2/16: 67 positives (213). "High risk" individuals identified, 67 of which tested negative, 12 of these to be disembarked.
- 2/18: 169 positives (382)
- 2/19: Quarantine period ends. 600 "guests" who tested negative allowed to depart (will undergo additional 14 day quarantine in their home countries)

At that point I can't find additional sources to give us the daily counts, but as of today, this website says the numbers are:

- 3/1: 705 cases, 7 deaths, 100 recovered, 36 "serious/critical"

So let's do some math:

- If we assume the contagion started on 1/20, it took 43 days to infect 705 of 3700 (19%)
- 7 of 705 have died, so the mortality rate (among those exposed) is 1%
- At least some of the 36 "serious/critical" cases could still succumb, so the worst case fatality rate would be 6% (although that's clearly unlikely)

The takeaways:

- "Local" fatality rates could get pretty high when/if this thing gets into vulnerable populations. Nursing homes or old age communities could be scary places.

- It's hard to imagine any environment "more communal" than a cruise ship, yet with unrecognized and uncontained spread underway for 16 days, we still have a pretty low contagion rate which appears to have maxed out at 19%.

- That's not nothing, but it certainly implies that if people take reasonable precautions, they should be pretty safe. And for those who are not in the "high risk" categories, it's more likely to hit you as an extremely nasty case of the flu. Unpleasant yes, but not the end of the world.

I'm a bit sceptical about the validity of theses numbers, because people on such ships really don't represent the average. I once was on such a cruise ship with my mother and I was one of the youngest there being 50...[X(] I think the infection rate and the mortality rate is a lot higher with very old people.
In the news yesterday our secretary of health stated that they found out that a lot of people never know they have the virus because they don't develop any symptoms at all. Therefore the mortality rate is suspected to be much lower if you included all these cases, too. The actual mortality rate is calculated in relation to people showing symptoms.
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It seems that there is very likely an under-reporting of numbers in countries which do not have extremely well resourced state health systems, and readily available private health care at affordable prices.

The situation in Iran, compared with the reported situation in adjacent Pakistan, and nearby India, is difficult to accept. Bangladesh, population 164 million, living in dense proximity and near to China(albeit over a quite large mountain range) has no reported cases.

However, this chap has some possible answers:

https://tbsnews.net/thoughts/how-has-ba ... d-19-50419
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On the cruise ship, there may have been more initially infected. Also, keeping people penned up like that in relatively close confines probably increased the infection rate.
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WHO team arrives in Tehran to support the COVID-19 response

http://www.emro.who.int/irn/iran-news/w ... ponse.html

"The plane carrying the technical team members also contained a shipment of medical supplies and protective equipment to support over 15,000 health care workers, as well as enough laboratory kits enough to test and diagnose nearly 100,000 people."






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https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

South Korea coronavirus cases surge to over 5,100

Gibraltar confirms first case of coronavirus

Up to fifth of UK workforce could be off sick due to virus outbreak, says government

Up to 1 million people could be tested for coronavirus in the US by the end of the week

Ukraine just reported its first coronavirus case







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Maybe I should get a case or two of Carona and maybe spread some cheer . . .
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Agreed!
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https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coro ... index.html

South Korea coronavirus cases surge to over 5,100

Gibraltar confirms first case of coronavirus

Up to fifth of UK workforce could be off sick due to virus outbreak, says government

Up to 1 million people could be tested for coronavirus in the US by the end of the week

Ukraine just reported its first coronavirus case



Saw a headline yesterday that the test kits are contaminated.
Likely hype.
In a nation of 300 million who decides which 1 million to test?

Also saw an article yesterday letting me know it had arrived not only in Florida, but in the Tampa Bay area.
Have two reported cases here.

No panic here yet. Don't see everyone wearing masks.
I have a small supply of masks at home from the time a few years ago when I was taking immune suppressing medication, but I'm not wearing them yet.
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Hopefully Iran doesn't shoot down the airplane.
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I got a business trip to Europe cancelled [:@] [:@]

I think this is overblown by panic-mongers
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