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RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:04 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Looks like Penguins are used on F-16, helicopters of various types, and ships... no mention of them on the P-3.
EDIT: The Penguin has a 120-130 kg warhead (depending on model) - again, unless it missed by quite a margin, it would have been more than enough to mince up a 12 meter patrol boat.
RE-EDIT: The warhead on the latter Mavericks can be even bigger (136 kg), but the one on the earlier models is "only" 57 kg.
Yeah, but the Maverick payload is nothing to sneeze at either...125 lbs. for the "small" warhead, 300 lbs. for the larger. I'm surprised that boat didn't get pulverized completely-any of these things should have 'matchsticked' it, even with a near miss. 125 lb. of HE should have been more than enough.
Edit: Looks like you saw this too...[;)]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:05 pm
by anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
Gratuitous to launch a missile that's probably worth more than the target but we seem to like doing that.
i am guessing it would more likely have been a Hellfire... taking a hit from a Harpoon probably would have done in a Libyan coast guard vessel pretty quickly without chances for "limping".
EDIT: a 12 meter patrol boat would probably be matchsticks had it taken a direct or even near hit from a Harpoon.
ANOTHER EDIT: P-3 can carry Mavericks - no mention of Hellfire capability in what i looked up... also can carry Zuni rockets.
I have in my mind a picture of a Libyan coast guard 12 meter patrol boat and I'm still thinking either a hellfire or maverick would be worth more than it. [;)] That it wasn't engaged until sunk is mindboggling.
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:13 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
On a completely different subject: anyone here have experience with PGP/Pretty Good Privacy disk drive encryption?
A little bit. BTW, Truecrypt is great. Which one is appropriate depends on what you use it for. PM me if you want to take it off-thread.
OK - glanced through the website... the examples they site all mention hard drives or USB drives. Can you DVD drives??
When I have used CD's/DVD's for backup I took to encrypting them so I could just throw them away when they were obsolete without feeling like I should cut them up into pieces. I use Truecrypt when I do that.
Bear in mind that with Truecrypt there are (my words) essentially two modes: whole drives and files (meaning it makes a container with files inside). The whole drive thing is the newer one, which allows you to encrypt an entire volume on, for example, a laptop. That way it helps with security if it's stolen, or if someone tries to put a trojan on it to grab your passwords, and so on. The whole drive thing (with any software out there) is for reading/writing.
CD/DVD's/Bluerays are different than hard drives, flash drives, etc. whether they be USB or otherwise because the optical drives are created (i.e. written to) once, then they are read only after that (options of adding data to optical disks notwithstanding as they just write to previously unused portions).
The other method - encrypting files, aka containers, is what to use in this case. Truecrypt allows you to create an encrypted file, mount that file as a drive, and then write to/read from it as though it were an ordinary hard drive. When you dismount the "drive", it's just an ordinary file.
To do what you want, the basic steps are:
- Use Truecrypt to create an encrypted file. To take up the whole disk without going over, make it be 700MB for a CD, 4,485MB for a DVD.
- Use Truecrypt to mount the encrypted file you just created. It will show up as a new hard drive letter (it will be very obvious to you when you do this).
- Access the encrypted volume (aka "hard drive") just like any other hard drive - copy the files you want into it.
- When you are done filling it with the files you want, go back to Truecrypt and dismount it.
- Use your CD/DVD writing software to write the encrypted file onto the CD/DVD. BTW, I recommend ImgBurn, also free. (Note that for large files like the 4,485MB needed for a DVD, the writing software must use UDF encoding.)
When you want to read the encrypted file on the CD/DVD, you can copy it to the hard drive then use Truecrypt to mount it, or use Truecrypt to mount it as read-only directly from the CD/DVD.
One of the advantages of using something like Truecrypt instead of, say, SecureZip (free for non-commercial use) is that it makes a monolithic container and you can not see file names, sizes, or anything else about what is inside unless you decrypt/open the container file. With products like SecureZip a thief can look at file names and at least know that he has the right file to try attacking (or then try to steal your password with a password grabber). With Truecrypt there is no information at all available about what is inside (except that it can't be larger than the container after compression). It just looks like a gibberish data file.
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:18 pm
by Grollub
Tithe.
Good evening friends.
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:25 pm
by JWE
ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
...hmmm...those were quite large...is this any better?
Where is that Kwik E ?
Looks like some sweet place in Mexico, except for the Belgian beer menu.
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:45 pm
by Grollub
Sunset over the Atlantic, as seen from my balcony.
Good night friends [>:]

RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:50 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,
ORIGINAL: Grollub
Sunset over the Atlantic, as seen from my balcony.
Good night friends [>:]
Nice! [:)]
Leo "Apollo11"
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:50 pm
by Apollo11
Hi all,
Zssssssssssss time... [>:][>:][>:]
Leo "Apollo11"
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:56 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: witpqs
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: witpqs
A little bit. BTW, Truecrypt is great. Which one is appropriate depends on what you use it for. PM me if you want to take it off-thread.
OK - glanced through the website... the examples they site all mention hard drives or USB drives. Can you DVD drives??
When I have used CD's/DVD's for backup I took to encrypting them so I could just throw them away when they were obsolete without feeling like I should cut them up into pieces. I use Truecrypt when I do that.
Bear in mind that with Truecrypt there are (my words) essentially two modes: whole drives and files (meaning it makes a container with files inside). The whole drive thing is the newer one, which allows you to encrypt an entire volume on, for example, a laptop. That way it helps with security if it's stolen, or if someone tries to put a trojan on it to grab your passwords, and so on. The whole drive thing (with any software out there) is for reading/writing.
CD/DVD's/Bluerays are different than hard drives, flash drives, etc. whether they be USB or otherwise because the optical drives are created (i.e. written to) once, then they are read only after that (options of adding data to optical disks notwithstanding as they just write to previously unused portions).
The other method - encrypting files, aka containers, is what to use in this case. Truecrypt allows you to create an encrypted file, mount that file as a drive, and then write to/read from it as though it were an ordinary hard drive. When you dismount the "drive", it's just an ordinary file.
To do what you want, the basic steps are:
- Use Truecrypt to create an encrypted file. To take up the whole disk without going over, make it be 700MB for a CD, 4,485MB for a DVD.
- Use Truecrypt to mount the encrypted file you just created. It will show up as a new hard drive letter (it will be very obvious to you when you do this).
- Access the encrypted volume (aka "hard drive") just like any other hard drive - copy the files you want into it.
- When you are done filling it with the files you want, go back to Truecrypt and dismount it.
- Use your CD/DVD writing software to write the encrypted file onto the CD/DVD. BTW, I recommend ImgBurn, also free. (Note that for large files like the 4,485MB needed for a DVD, the writing software must use UDF encoding.)
When you want to read the encrypted file on the CD/DVD, you can copy it to the hard drive then use Truecrypt to mount it, or use Truecrypt to mount it as read-only directly from the CD/DVD.
One of the advantages of using something like Truecrypt instead of, say, SecureZip (free for non-commercial use) is that it makes a monolithic container and you can not see file names, sizes, or anything else about what is inside unless you decrypt/open the container file. With products like SecureZip a thief can look at file names and at least know that he has the right file to try attacking (or then try to steal your password with a password grabber). With Truecrypt there is no information at all available about what is inside (except that it can't be larger than the container after compression). It just looks like a gibberish data file.
Cool! [8D] i'll have to start playing with this!!![&o] [&o] [&o]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 5:56 pm
by Mynok
ORIGINAL: Mynok
ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
i5 comes out this summer...definitely recommend verizon...
Right now the rumor mill has it that there will be no new iPhone this year. I'll keep an eye on it until my contract runs out then will probably just get an i4.
Fear not, however, for the rumor mill continues......
Maybe i5 in the fall
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:12 pm
by rtrapasso
In the world of Physics/Comsmology: someone has come up with an idea lining gravity to thermodynamics, as well as linking the whole thing to string theory and quantum mechanics.
According to this new theory, gravity is a special kind of entropy. Starting with the ideas of energy, entropy and tempature, the author (Verlinde) derives Newton's laws, and then extends them to further derive the General Theory of Relativity.
Several other physicists (Easson, Framton, and nobel laureate Smoot) have gotten on board and pointed out that the concept of entropic gravity also removes the need for "dark energy", the mysterious stuff that is said to cause accelerating expansion of the universe. "Their calculated acceleration macthes the observed acceleration as inferred by its effect on the relative brightness of supernova observations".
So, maybe a whole new unified theory of everything is in the offing...[8D]
Of course, this is all preliminary and still not accepted by most physicists yet.
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:24 pm
by bradfordkay
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
Gratuitous to launch a missile that's probably worth more than the target but we seem to like doing that.
i am guessing it would more likely have been a Hellfire... taking a hit from a Harpoon probably would have done in a Libyan coast guard vessel pretty quickly without chances for "limping".
EDIT: a 12 meter patrol boat would probably be matchsticks had it taken a direct or even near hit from a Harpoon.
ANOTHER EDIT: P-3 can carry Mavericks - no mention of Hellfire capability in what i looked up... also can carry Zuni rockets.
I have in my mind a picture of a Libyan coast guard 12 meter patrol boat and I'm still thinking either a hellfire or maverick would be worth more than it. [;)] That it wasn't engaged until sunk is mindboggling.
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:

RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:31 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
i am guessing it would more likely have been a Hellfire... taking a hit from a Harpoon probably would have done in a Libyan coast guard vessel pretty quickly without chances for "limping".
EDIT: a 12 meter patrol boat would probably be matchsticks had it taken a direct or even near hit from a Harpoon.
ANOTHER EDIT: P-3 can carry Mavericks - no mention of Hellfire capability in what i looked up... also can carry Zuni rockets.
I have in my mind a picture of a Libyan coast guard 12 meter patrol boat and I'm still thinking either a hellfire or maverick would be worth more than it. [;)] That it wasn't engaged until sunk is mindboggling.
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:
Similar in length, anyway. And heck, for all we know the Libyans are using sails on their patrol boats! [:D]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:33 pm
by witpqs
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
In the world of Physics/Comsmology: someone has come up with an idea lining gravity to thermodynamics, as well as linking the whole thing to string theory and quantum mechanics.
According to this new theory, gravity is a special kind of entropy. Starting with the ideas of energy, entropy and tempature, the author (Verlinde) derives Newton's laws, and then extends them to further derive the General Theory of Relativity.
Several other physicists (Easson, Framton, and nobel laureate Smoot) have gotten on board and pointed out that the concept of entropic gravity also removes the need for "dark energy", the mysterious stuff that is said to cause accelerating expansion of the universe. "Their calculated acceleration macthes the observed acceleration as inferred by its effect on the relative brightness of supernova observations".
So, maybe a whole new unified theory of everything is in the offing...[8D]
Of course, this is all preliminary and still not accepted by most physicists yet.
One of the things that I love about nature is that our deeper understandings of today are just our shallower misunderstandings of tomorrow!
[:D]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:36 pm
by Kwik E Mart
ORIGINAL: JWE
ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
...hmmm...those were quite large...is this any better?
Where is that Kwik E ?
Looks like some sweet place in Mexico, except for the Belgian beer menu.
hyatt regency, aruba...guilty on the belgian beer pic...it was a nice little sidewalk place across the street from the hotel...the Corsendonk was my favorite, and of course, it took two or three tries to make that decision...the plan was to have one of each from the menu, but alas, my constitution is not up to snuff for european alcohol content in beers...[;)]...<hic>
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:41 pm
by rtrapasso
According to The Virginian Pilot
"A Navy P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft, an Air Force A-10 Thunderbolt attack aircraft and the guided-missile destroyer [Barry] engaged the Libyan Coast Guard vessel Vittoria and two smaller crafts after confirmed reports that the vessels were firing indiscriminately on merchant ships in the port.
The Orion fired at the Vittoria with AGM-65F Maverick missiles, forcing it to be beached. The Thunderbolt fired upon the smaller craft using its 30mm GAU-8/ Avenger cannon, destroying one and forcing the other to be abandoned."
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:43 pm
by Kwik E Mart
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
I have in my mind a picture of a Libyan coast guard 12 meter patrol boat and I'm still thinking either a hellfire or maverick would be worth more than it. [;)] That it wasn't engaged until sunk is mindboggling.
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:
Similar in length, anyway. And heck, for all we know the Libyans are using sails on their patrol boats! [:D]
12 meter boat? heck...why not just drop a stick of sonobouys on it? [;)] i can't confirm any of the ordnance...in my day, they only let us carry really big torps and depth charges...[:(]...probably the reason the P-3 "missed" was because there was a HR against 4E naval attacks from less than 10k...[X(]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:57 pm
by rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:
Similar in length, anyway. And heck, for all we know the Libyans are using sails on their patrol boats! [:D]
12 meter boat? heck...why not just drop a stick of sonobouys on it? [;)] i can't confirm any of the ordnance...in my day, they only let us carry really big torps and depth charges...[:(]...probably the reason the P-3 "missed" was because there was a HR against 4E naval attacks from less than 10k...[X(]
[:D] [:D]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:14 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Kwik E Mart
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:
Similar in length, anyway. And heck, for all we know the Libyans are using sails on their patrol boats! [:D]
12 meter boat? heck...why not just drop a stick of sonobouys on it? [;)] i can't confirm any of the ordnance...in my day, they only let us carry really big torps and depth charges...[:(]...probably the reason the P-3 "missed" was because there was a HR against 4E naval attacks from less than 10k...[X(]
[:D]
RE: THE THREAD!!!
Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:16 pm
by Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: bradfordkay
ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
i am guessing it would more likely have been a Hellfire... taking a hit from a Harpoon probably would have done in a Libyan coast guard vessel pretty quickly without chances for "limping".
EDIT: a 12 meter patrol boat would probably be matchsticks had it taken a direct or even near hit from a Harpoon.
ANOTHER EDIT: P-3 can carry Mavericks - no mention of Hellfire capability in what i looked up... also can carry Zuni rockets.
I have in my mind a picture of a Libyan coast guard 12 meter patrol boat and I'm still thinking either a hellfire or maverick would be worth more than it. [;)] That it wasn't engaged until sunk is mindboggling.
Of course when y'all start talking about 12 meter boats, I picture something completely different:
Are the Libyans flying American flags from their patrol craft too? That's got to be confusing for their adversaries!