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Guys...what can i say...i am moved.
 
Really. All these supporting comments make me drop a tear...
 
I've enjoyed so much making this aar. I've enjoyed your company and appreciated first your support, and then your suggestions, always balanced and wise.
Thanks. Thanks a lot. from the deep of my heart.
 
I'm sorry, i'm deeply sorry to stop. Believe me.
 
I don't want to comment despite Roger is right...i should own you an explanation....but i think those of you who followed this war know already without anything that is needed to be said.
 
This AAR has been like a baby for me. Something to be fed every day...a Must in my daily routine...
 
I'll miss you all.
 
Still thanks.
 
And i promise: i'll try to win this war also for you.

This is disappointing albeit not surprising. As to how it may have come about... Well I know that a friend of Troll's read my AAR and gave him a twisted version of what I had written insinuating that I was inciting people into a "crusade" against Troll. I responded by clarifying what I had and hadn't said ( including explaining that, yeah, I had questioned his sportsmanship when emails weren't replied to but that I stood by this as replying to emails was simple politeness which should be extended to all opponents --- jagdfluger and I exchange several emails everyday filling eachother in on when turns can be expected etc ) and, to be fair to Troll, he accepted my explanation and didn't bitch at all about the things I HAD said ( once I had explained that the things he felt were unfair were things I hadn't actually said).
 
GH have you tried explaining things so as to clear up any misappreciation?

Nemo, i've explained everything many times in these months.
I really think i do not need to explain anything now.
I've always tried to be as fair and as correct as i could.
More than that i cannot do.
I've never launched any crusade. I've always tried to calm down the spirits, even if somewhen i didn't agree with the game-style.
I've been forced to choose. I had to choose.
I didn't have any real choice indeed.
 
However,nobody has died. The aar has stopped. That's a pity...i know, you know...but anyway it's just a game. So let's that the good thing (we all had fun in these months writing and reading it)...and that's all.

What a crock. Sorry to see this AAR die, but I think I would have told him to shove it up his butt before I ended it. I will never accept a game from him. And will so advise everyone who ever asks. I have respect for you GH, but Troll has earned my total contempt. I say wait until AE is out and then drop him like a hot potato.
 
 

Having never played a pbem, I really don't have the right to say anything but I don't care, if your opponent has forced you to end this AAR, then why still play against him?

GH, I hope you haven't picked me up wrong. I amn't saying that you ever did those things.

GH:

It's a shame you have to end this AAR, I have immensly enjoyed it and it has become one of my "Must-Read" threads. I have learned ALOT about PBEM and different tactics and strategies that I am gong to try this summer when I have the time to start playing PBEM.

I do understand your reason for discontinueing the AAR (and respect your wishes about not commenting on your opponent) as you have put massive effort into the game you are engaged in and there is no reason to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" as my mom used to say.

You will have no problems finding opponents for the rest of your WiTP/AE playing time due to your good attitude, honesty and tenacity. Not to mention your AAR writing style and openess to ideas.

Whipple

Sure, being a sportsman with high sportsmanship is always admired, but the heck with that, a guy punches you in the face, be a man for crying out loud.[8|]

Another lurker who enjoyed this AAR and is sad to see it ended.

I don't even have WITP, but checked this thread daily as GH's sportsmanship and honorable nature drew me to definitely purchase the game in the foreseeable future.

I know it's selfish, but I'd rather read a new AAR of yours vs some other opponent, than no AAR while you continue this PBEM [;)]

Best of luck, we're all pulling for you. And again, I think you've been a total gentleman throughout this thread, even when I know it must've been difficult!

Well my vote is for continuing the AAR and publishing it after the game ends. I know it won’t be as fun without the community input and your writers morale may ultimately fail you, but I personally would like to read a play by play of this game after it is over. Perhaps just weekly updates would be sufficient.

So many people have invested so much to this AAR, I’m sure many would agree with me and would love to see a finished AAR some day.

As to why Troll did this, my guess is it's due to immaturity and a fragile ego pure and simple. He probably expected everyone to faun all over him and tell him how great of a player he was after all his gamey tactics allowed him to *rush* G.H.’s holdings in India.

But when that didn’t happen and everyone gravitated to his opponent it crushed his fragile ego and he probably can't deal with the amount of interest in G.H.'s side of the game anymore. From what I can tell, Troll is that kind of a gamer where winning is everything no matter what.

I don’t even think he understands the concept of enjoying the journey no matter who wins. To him he probably thinks those of us who play the game simply to enjoy the game are nuts.

Jim

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner


I don't want to comment despite Roger is right...i should own you an explanation....but i think those of you who followed this war know already without anything that is needed to be said.

You don't owe us any explanation GH.

Roger

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Well my vote is for continuing the AAR and publishing it after the game ends. I know it won’t be as fun without the community input and your writers morale may ultimately fail you, but I personally would like to read a play by play of this game after it is over. Perhaps just weekly updates would be sufficient.

So many people have invested so much to this AAR, I’m sure many would agree with me and would love to see a finished AAR some day.

As to why Troll did this, my guess is it's due to immaturity and a fragile ego pure and simple. He probably expected everyone to faun all over him and tell him how great of a player he was after all his gamey tactics allowed him to *rush* G.H.’s holdings in India.

But when that didn’t happen and everyone gravitated to his opponent it crushed his fragile ego and he probably can't deal with the amount of interest in G.H.'s side of the game anymore. From what I can tell, Troll is that kind of a gamer where winning is everything no matter what.

I don’t even think he understands the concept of enjoying the journey no matter who wins. To him he probably thinks those of us who play the game simply to enjoy the game are nuts.

Jim

I once met a guy who was very similar in behavior with Troll. He eventually wrecked his life and even at the dusk of it never seemed to have learned.

Imo its a waste of time to even think Troll will someday understand let even respect our point of view. The best thing we can do is move on.

Best of the very best General, as Roger said you owe us no explanation. On the contrary we all owe you for the quality of this AAR and the time you spent on it.

Many thanks and many future victories[;)]

General Hoepner should call the bluff and continue the AAR.  The worst that could happen if the AAR is continued and published concurrently is for his opponent to quit the game.  If that occurs then what is the loss?  His opponent would not have the satisfaction of claiming or believing that GH surrendered, he could not disguise, even to himself, that he in fact surrendered by not continuing the game.
 
Continuing to publish an AAR does not constitute any grounds for terminating the game because:
 
(a) no HRs are broken,
(b) no gameyness is involved,
(c) GH is not the receipient of any forbidden intel,
(d) this AAR is closed so how can his opponent be affected by anything which is said here - he could only have knowledge of this AAR through unethical means by either himself or a third party.
 
By caving in (again), GH is not ensuring that the game will continue.  What will happen if Chungking holds?  Or the surprise that his opponent said was about to occur fizzles out?  Or if the Allied counterattack from Australia/PM that is being prepared is successful?  Or anything happens which suggests that his opponent is not the greatest conqueror since Genghis Khan and the best undisputed WITP player?  Methinks then another ultimatum from his opponent would be made.
 
Alfred  

What if GH emailed his combat reports to someone else and THEY wrote the AAR [:D] I seem to remember someone did this way back when.
 
Despite all the gameiness and general unpleasantness...I have enjoyed GH's valiant defense and counter-punches...I really want to see what comes next!

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns
As to why Troll did this, my guess is it's due to immaturity and a fragile ego pure and simple. He probably expected everyone to faun all over him and tell him how great of a player he was after all his gamey tactics allowed him to *rush* G.H.’s holdings in India.

But when that didn’t happen and everyone gravitated to his opponent it crushed his fragile ego and he probably can't deal with the amount of interest in G.H.'s side of the game anymore. From what I can tell, Troll is that kind of a gamer where winning is everything no matter what.

I don’t even think he understands the concept of enjoying the journey no matter who wins. To him he probably thinks those of us who play the game simply to enjoy the game are nuts.

Jim

This is exactly the reason I've always been screaming "Get the BASIC game historically right!" The Troll and his ilk don't want anything to do with reality, they want a "game" they can fold, spindle, mutilate, and drive a truck through every loophole of. History's "handcuff's" they avoid like the plague (unless they can impose their own warped version of them on their opponant).

Was the basic scenario historically accurate, you wouldn't have to worry about stumbling into a TROLLELITE in a PBEM game..., because you would only find him in the more "wild and wooly" of the mods. Then you could chose to deal with him or not.

I admire AH's moderation and dogged determination to keep the struggle and the AAR going..., and if he want's to quit the AAR, I'll miss it..., but that's his choice. I wish him nothing but the best. I'm beginning to suspect he has a bit of masochism in him..., but we all have our foibles.

Well Mike, not everyone who wants to play an ahistorical game is a Trollelite. Please don't lump us all in with him. My game with jagdfluger sure as hell isn't to everyone's taste ( we have Soviet fighters over India, Japan invading CONUSA and about to take all of Oz, German fighters and the Amerika-bomber running riot etc etc ) BUT while it may be a "far out" PBEM neither opponent is seeking unfair advantage through house rules. So, please don't lump myself or jagdfluger in with the sort of House Rules shennanigans which went on in this game.

Its kind of ironical that a possible reason for the dropping of this AAR might have been to stop the discussion of the tactics of a certain gentlemen and in fact it seems to had had the opposite effect to date!

Roger

Methinks someone thought that his opponent was getting too much guidance from other forum members and didn't like that. AFAIK that someone has been complaining about it before.

ORIGINAL: String

Methinks someone thought that his opponent was getting too much guidance from other forum members and didn't like that. AFAIK that someone has been complaining about it before.

About this AAR or another?

Hey aren't we a team?!
Troll said many times he's one of the best players around here. Facing GH alone or GH together with his councellors shouldn't bother him that much. I mean, if he's really that good, he should know that having a dozen brains together doesn't mean you think a dozen times faster. Especially when you see what kind of advices we may provide here sometimes [:D] [;)]