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...'lectric cars? hate 'em...almost been run over twice in parking lots because i couldn't hear the damn things coming...[:-]

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy



Hi Leo,

All-electrics are coming into their own, at long last. The Tesla-S is a great example of an all-electric vehicle with decent range and great handling. It's received good to excellent reviews and is practical for the driving habits of many (most?) Americans. It has the potential to be a real game changer.

EXCEPT for the fact that it's $80,000. No one (at least not in numbers) can afford it. You get the price tag down below $40,000 and people will start paying attention.

In the meantime, hybrids (gas-electric) are getting 44 (Civic) to 55 (Prius) MPG. American gasoline consumption has been decreasing for several years running now, in spite of what the media portrays.

Most people are pretty smart about it-the all-electrics are beyond the cost:value proposition for most Americans. Heck, most of the hybrids are too: the basic model Honda Civic (38 MPG) versus the Hybrid (44 MPG) isn't worth the $6,000 premium on a dollar cost averaging basis.

Nat Gas passenger vehicles would be really interesting to explore. Honda's had a Civic that runs on NG for some time. Cheap (relatively) clean fuel that has all sorts of range.

I keep coming back to the absurdity of US not utilizing NG more. I think I've mentioned before that every single gas station in Moldova sells NG. I was a bit disappointed that it wasnt the case if Europe-proper (I think Torsten said that he has an app to find locations near him) but here in the US I think the number of locations where you can get it can be counted on the fingers of one hand.

A large reason why you won't see NG used in vehicle traffic any time soon in the States is economics. Who's going to pay to build the infrastructure to support and fuel them, and how can it be done to still turn a profit? Considering the economic situation that most State governments find themselves in, having them built with State funds is not an option. Federal funds are just as tight, plus you have the Constitutional restrictions in place as well in that regards, so this only leaves private investors, who are mostly heavily invested in the oil industry. Most, if not all, businessmen are not going to intentionally build and strengthen a competing industry that would split their profits, especially if it's in an unproven technology.

The truth is that gasoline and diesel is going to be around for quite some time to come.

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

Hey Leo,

I think the improvements in electric cars are great, and they will one day be more affordable to the general public. I just have a problem with all the propaganda surrounding them that says they can eliminate burning fossil fuels, save the planet, help our babies grow up healthier, etc. I swear, most people who buy into that gospel, and preach it, have no idea where electricity comes from. They just "buy it" from the outlet in the wall. In this country over 80% of it is generated by burning coal or natural gas. Tell them that the only "plus" for the environment from electricity is that around 15% is generated from nuclear power and they really freak! [:D]

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Question for our USA Thread brethren:

What do you guys (and your friends and family) think about new breed of electric cars - the Tesla "Model S" in particular with rather long range?

Is this something that can make a dent in today's predominant gas engine community?


Leo "Apollo11"

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SLR.

(For the newcomers, that's a THREAD acronym meaning "Subject Line Reset")

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ORIGINAL: Grollub

SLR.

(For the newcomers, that's a THREAD acronym meaning "Subject Line Reset")

In my case it was a USLR. (Unintentional Subject Line Reset)


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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

Thanks for info guys! [:)]


Leo "Apolllo11"

Hey Leo,

I think the improvements in electric cars are great, and they will one day be more affordable to the general public. I just have a problem with all the propaganda surrounding them that says they can eliminate burning fossil fuels, save the planet, help our babies grow up healthier, etc. I swear, most people who buy into that gospel, and preach it, have no idea where electricity comes from. They just "buy it" from the outlet in the wall. In this country over 80% of it is generated by burning coal or natural gas. Tell them that the only "plus" for the environment from electricity is that around 15% is generated from nuclear power and they really freak! [:D]

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From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

ORIGINAL: Terminus

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: Terminus

From the Unfortunate Ship Names section:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSwMS_Puke_%2819%29

Ugh. Buying secondhand Puke from the Italians? Who'd have thought there would be a market for that?