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Hi can someone tell me if there's a 'trees off' toggle in PC:K, by which I don't mean 'partial off', I mean 'fully off'.
I gave up on the game a while back because I got fed up of trees getting in the way, and have been waiting for a fully off option to be added ever since.
Thanks

Nope, no fully off option, sorry. The existing mostly off option together with unit icons has never resulted in a hidden unit for me though.

Okay mate, if a fully-off option is beyond your programming skills, there's nothing more to be said except that I won't be playing PC:K.
Er...CM has a fully-off option..

http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/ ... ?tid=46784

Yes, Spike, it's beyond our programming skills. [8|] ....or perhaps we just thought 90% off was good enough given that it lets the player still see the location of the woods without having them obscure much of anything? Whatever you decide is fine by me, but you're the only guy so far who has given us negative feedback on the 90% off option, which isn't enough of a consensus for additional development, sorry.

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

Okay mate, if a fully-off option is beyond your programming skills, there's nothing more to be said except that I won't be playing PC:K.
Er...CM has a fully-off option..

http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/ ... ?tid=46784

Spike, If you use my MM to make your own maps rather than use the existing stock ones (and a guy like you would want to do that I would think), then you do get the ability to turn 100% trees off with the tree toggle key.

Regards

S.

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike
Er...CM has a fully-off option..

CM [&:]... oh, an old ugly game, definitely buried by PC:K on my PC.

[;)]

ORIGINAL: Stridor
Spike, If you use my MM to make your own maps rather than use the existing stock ones (and a guy like you would want to do that I would think), then you do get the ability to turn 100% trees off with the tree toggle key.

Hmm thanx that's worth knowing,but right now I'm in the middle of running my Combat Mission Green Light Tourney (see earlier link), it's coming up to 10,000 thread views since it began 8 weeks ago, not bad for what some people are calling a 'clapped-out old game'..
(For the record CM has a more free-flowing quality to it than PCK, so I honestly don't think I'd ever prefer PCK, even with zero trees)

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ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

"Okay mate, if a fully-off option is beyond your programming skills, there's nothing more to be said except that I won't be playing PC:K.
Er...CM has a fully-off option.."

Yes, Eric....this character is the only one I know of who has a problem with the 90% option too.   Odd really.


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ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike
 
"Hmm thanx that's worth knowing,but right now I'm in the middle of running my Combat Mission Green Light Tourney (see earlier link), it's coming up to 10,000 thread views since it began 8 weeks ago, not bad for what some people are calling a 'clapped-out old game'..
(For the record CM has a more free-flowing quality to it than PCK, so I honestly don't think I'd ever prefer PCK, even with zero trees)."
 
Nice to see this guy can still blow his own trumpet about his tourney after having totally ruined someone elses tourney over at the Blitz with his....shall we say.....'tampering' with e-mail files.

- falco.

F12 toggles off _most all_ of the trees.

F12.

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"Insert" toggles abstract-like "game map" for targeting ease of sight reasons.

Mesh lines are a mod and don't know if they toggle off and on. (I hope so.)

F5 toggles off message box [right corner low]. Again for ease of targeting reasons and screen captures.

Falco quote- Nice to see this guy can still blow his own trumpet about his tourney after having totally ruined someone elses tourney over at the Blitz with his....shall we say.....'tampering.'
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Ha ha ha, I have to play nanny to people sometimes if their attempts to organise a CM tourney are botch-ups, that one by Zemke and Mad Russian was a complete shambles, I tried my best to help them sort it out but I'd have had more luck trying to raise a corpse. The final straw was when I pointed out to them I could see the enemy units on the map before the start, even though MR gave me his personal guarantee that was impossible!
So I said I couldn't start the game now I'd seen the enemy because I'd have an unfair advantage, and that we'd have to scrap the scen and get another one, but MR went bananas and accused me of cheating! What a bozo, if I'd been cheating I wouldn't have told them BEFORE THE START I could see the enemy units..
Blitz investigated his allegations and dismissed them out of hand because all the e-mail evidence exonerated me completely and I came out of it with my reputation for honesty enhanced more than ever before..

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

Falco quote- Nice to see this guy can still blow his own trumpet about his tourney after having totally ruined someone elses tourney over at the Blitz with his....shall we say.....'tampering.'
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Ha ha ha, I have to play nanny to people sometimes if their attempts to organise a CM tourney are botch-ups, that one by Zemke and Mad Russian was a complete shambles, I tried my best to help them sort it out but I'd have had more luck trying to raise a corpse. The final straw was when I pointed out to them I could see the enemy units on the map before the start, even though MR gave me his personal guarantee that was impossible!
So I said I couldn't start the game now I'd seen the enemy because I'd have an unfair advantage, and that we'd have to scrap the scen and get another one, but MR went bananas and accused me of cheating! What a bozo, if I'd been cheating I wouldn't have told them BEFORE THE START I could see the enemy units..
Blitz investigated his allegations and dismissed them out of hand because all the e-mail evidence exonerated me completely and I came out of it with my reputation for honesty enhanced more than ever before..

So you say. But methinks you stretcheth the truth a little bit my friend......

From the worldatwar forums...............http://www.worldatwar.eu/index.php?&lan ... ardid=1464



14/09/2008 23:53:19 Mad Russian-
You guys are killing me...................between the tempest in a tea cup at the Blitz, the Masters Tournament matches to set up and this thread I'm up to my eyeballs. Mostly from the tempest in a teacup at the Blitz.
Very long story made very short...........

Zemke asked if I would do a scenario. I agreed.

I made a scenario. Then I made a scenario for the German commander and stripped the Soviet units out of it. So the German commander could look it over and decide how he wanted to assign areas and units for the junior commanders. I did the same for the Soviet commander. An S scenario with no German units in it.

As McIvan says, everybody knows POS won't play anything that he can't look at. That was not the intent of this team play though. They wanted something as closely resembling an actual engagement as possible. So, I tournament locked the scenario where it couldn't be opened up in the editor.

POS immediately asked me what was to be done with each of the scenarios that he didn't understand it. I lined the steps down in order. What to do and what each scenario was for and how to set up the PBEM.

Then he started asking me to see if he should see both sides units. I asked him which scenario he saw both sides units in. I told him there was no way to see both sides units. Well, POS is smarter than that.....he can't figure out a commanders map but he can figure out how to get around the tournament lock. He opened the scenario in hotseat and played both sides.

He told Zemke he knew what he had. Zemke was even ready to let it go at that point. Allowing that if only POS had seen it that there was no harm really since POS wasn't actually playing. POS came back and said too late! I told all my guys what the other sides got!!!

MR's scenario has to go. That's when I told him that he was a cheater. That he needed to just let himself out of the team game quietly. That if he ever brought it in public I'd tell the rest of the CM community that he is a cheater. Which he is.

Now, after an all day email exchange, Bootie doesn't see it that way. Said I had broken the rules at the club for calling POS a cheater in the first place. We had a discussion about that and I was told to read the rules of the club.

The issue is now over at the Blitz. All posts pertaining to it have been deleted and the team game is moving on.

I told POS if he went public with it that I would too. He did so I am too. I promised both POS and Bootie that this would see daylight.

Now the Blitz position is that since POS didn't play the game and take unfair advantage of an opponent to win that game, that he didn't cheat.

That's not my opinion. There is a very interesting discussion at the Blitz right now about differing opinions.......

Soooooooooooooooooooo...............................what's the opinion here?

If you open a tournament locked game to see what the other side has, play it all the way out, find out you don't like the scenario, then admit to it all so you can get someone else to make a scenario...possibly a POS scenario, would YOU consider that cheating?

I did call him a cheat. I told him about 5 times in emails to leave it alone. That if he pushed this I would tell how it all went. The reason for not going public with this immediately is that it wasn't in a project I had. It was Zemke's project. I was the one to tell POS to leave quietly by the back door though.

Now, I've had my say. Bootie may or may not come over and voice his opinion about the matter. I don't expect him to here. His part of this is Blitz policy and moderation. He took his stance and rendered his opinion.

If you consider this cheating, as I do, then it goes outside the walls of the Blitz where POS may well currently be or may try to become a member. How he does in tFGM where the entire club is tournament oriented with everyone playing blind should be interesting to see.

I did call POS a cheater in several emails. But he chose to take that public.

His choice I told what would happen if he did.

Good Hunting.

MR





15/09/2008 00:10:38 Geordie- that fragment clown haven!
The very fact that this was a teamgame and POS was a commander and that he opened the game in hotseat to see the enemy forces labels it as cheating.
It seems to be a concious effort to see the scenario and advantage his team. You said he told his team mates and so this is cheating too.

Attempting to gain an advantage for your own team by seeing all of his forces, reinforcements etc cant be anything innocent.

When caught, he withdrew.

Bootie doesnt see it as cheating, because he cant. POS likes to play dumb, but he isnt and by deliberately hotseating it hes cheating and he knows it too. But in his twisted logic mind he wont see it like that.


And so, POS is now labelled as a Cheater...... Of course the Blitz has a policy about such a clear cut case, rule 63534-873, if your POS its not cheating. If your anyone else, you get banned.

I remember a randy post at the Blitz when 101 para was here, went something like, the WaW is associated with known cheaters, just to let you know we weed them out and ban them.

Seems like they dont then.

However, we only have MRs side of the story, which wouldnt stand up in a court. But I know who i personally believe.





15/09/2008 00:14:07 Mad Russian-
Now, according to Bootie, it's just my opinion that POS is a cheater and that's right.
In my opinion he cheated. Plain and simple. You don't make an honest mistake 50+ turns later after your done playing the scenario out and seeing what all the other side has.

And because he didn't like what he saw he told us so we had to kill the scenario and get another one. What would be really interesting would have been if he had liked what he saw. I have a $100 bill here that says he wouldn't have backed out then. Of course we'll never know the answer to that question.

To give POS his due, he does good CM support.

I would never play another game with him. That's been a given for awhile though because now he pretty much only plays scenarios he makes and I won't play something like that. I have enough of that in my own back yard when I do playtesting on my own scenarios. That works. To each his own.

Why he got involved in the team game I'll never understand.

Good Hunting.

MR





15/09/2008 00:25:10 Geordie- that fragment clown haven!
Its all too bloody mad. Yet another case of POS causing mayhem at a CM site. Honestly, why do they boot out anyone for questioning them, but leave in cheats and malcontents that seem to bring them even more trouble than they are worth.
Every couple of weeks he does something else.

I truly dont understand it, except in the case that they think a lot of us get annoyed by POS and this seems to satisfy the Blitz because they will tolerate him as long as they think it annoys us.

Of course it doesnt, but as long as they perceive it as such POS will be protected. And POS knows as long as he sucks up to Bottie et al, he will be protected.

Simply really...





15/09/2008 00:26:26 McIvan-
Good grief. To play a tourney-locked scenario hotseat to see what the other side has and then tell your team about it....of course that's cheating.
As you say, MR, POS should never have involved himself. He just doesn't do blind scenarios, or indeed anything really that doesn't conform to his idea of balanced force selection.





15/09/2008 01:52:56 Tanker-
Pos knew it was supposed to be blind and yet he checks it out in the editor. Obviously he meant to gain an advantage and that equals cheating.




15/09/2008 02:54:55 Mad Russian-
No POS didn't check it out in the editor. He opened it up hotseat...........by mistake............and played 50+ turns.........................
Good Hunting.

MR

last edited: 15/09/2008 03:03:27




15/09/2008 03:02:46 Mad Russian-
The funniest thing about all this is that I never saw the post that POS put on the Blitz. The first I knew of it I get an email from Bootie telling me he's about to moderate a situation POS and I have. I wasn't aware of what it was until Bootie said that POS accused him of cheating. Well, at that point I did go the Blitz and post it.
No sense letting others do your work for you. But that seems to be way late in the thread....I have no idea just how late though..............

Either way, POS was right I did accuse him of cheating.

At this point there is a split difference of opinion if what POS did was cheating or not. I think it's far more intention than actual damages.

The getaway car driver being guilty of bank robbery even though he didn't hold up the bank kind of a thing.

POS knew he wasn't supposed to see the other sides forces. He knew it was a PBEM. We're good so far........but then to play it out hotseat for 50+ turns is where I get lost with the big mistake defense. That he wouldn't ever do it intentionally or ever again kind of defense. That just doesn't work for me.

That's okay. POS is at the Blitz and they think his actions are okay. It's their club and their site and they can do what they want. Other sites may not view it the same way.

Good Hunting.

MR





15/09/2008 14:55:35 Geordie- that fragment clown haven!
Hmm, let me get this right.
Lets start with the Blitz ROE regarding cheating.


Under NO CIRCUMSTANCES should you CHEAT! The Blitz considers any "stunt/method" that goes beyond the spirit of the game to be cheating. You may only have one member account. Multiple member accounts on the same ladder are considered a form of cheating. You cannot replay moves, crack open games to see your opponent's side, etc. Of course, no reputable grognard would do such a thing. You are not authorized to replay turns, use hex editors, crack files, or any other nefarious means to gain victory. Earn your wins and losses like a person of integrity by playing fair. Should you be caught cheating, you are subject to expulsion from the Blitz!
POS, volunteers to be in a teamgame, knowing the rules. Hes often stated that he is a CM God and has been playing for years. So Im sorry, but I have to assume he knows about team games, especially since he took part in the Onion Wars a couple of years back, which was based on the same principle.

He receives his set up. Deliberately goes into hot seat to find out what the opponent has and then tells his team mates as well. When discovered, he then claims its all a mistake.

So far hes got aways with it, but then he draws attention to it. At this point MR receives a mail from Bootie saying that Bottie is investigating it.

Then, and this is by far the best bit. MR is somehow blamed because he doesnt like POS!

Bootie, thank you for setting a precedent here. The Blitz and tFGM now appear to condone cheating too, contrary to yet another one of your rules. Heres the last line again


Should you be caught cheating, you are subject to expulsion from the Blitz!
er, no you wont then.
Yet another hypocritical example of how they work. I wouldnt want to see POS banned, but it was deliberate and he should be treated as anyone else would if caught cheating. If he did this here I would have slapped a 6 month ban on him.

DT was right Bootie, you are an idiot, an idiot to defend a cheater, who has admitted it and an idiot to yet again cover your tracks and pretend nothing happened.

Quote- Should you be caught cheating, you are subject to expulsion from the Blitz!
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So why am I still there then after a full investigation by the Blitz brass into Mad Russians allegations? Ha ha ha..

Here's a brief summary of my e-mail exchange with Mad Russian BEFORE THE START of the team game that proves my innocence of his accusations-

ME- "What do I do with the file you've sent me?"
MR-"Open it and set up your units"
ME- "But what if I see the enemy units?"
MR- "You won't, it's impossible"
ME- "But I can see them, you must have sent the wrong file or given me bad instructions, we'll have to scrap it"

Ok guys we've had enough. Take it somewhere else.

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

everybody knows he's never liked me because...

You don't sound like you'd be any good at running a tournament. The whole deal would be about you rather than the game or the participants. A tourney chairman (or committee) has to be looked upon as an honest-broker for all involved, not some peevish, little snot bent on manipulating the results into his pretzel of the month.

I don't even know you, and I dislike you already.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

Quote- You don't sound like you'd be any good at running a tournament..
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All the people who've entered my 6 Tourneys over the past year would disagree with you Charlie..
Oh, and although I take part in them myself, I've naturally barred myself as organiser from ever actually winning the silver trophies myself..

Check out my Green Light Tourney at Blitz, it's only been running 8 weeks and is on course for 10,000 thread views, a figure unprecedented (as far as I know) for any CM tourny anywhere before-

"When armoured formations are out on the loose they must be given the green light to the very end of the road"- Gen Heinz Guderian

Green Light CM Tourney- http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/ ... ?tid=46784

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

Quote- You don't sound like you'd be any good at running a tournament..
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All the people who've entered my 6 Tourneys over the past year would disagree with you Charlie..
Oh, and although I take part in them myself, I've naturally barred myself as organiser from ever actually winning the silver trophies myself..

Check out my Green Light Tourney at Blitz, it's only been running 8 weeks and is on course for 10,000 thread views, a figure unprecedented (as far as I know) for any CM tourny anywhere before-

"When armoured formations are out on the loose they must be given the green light to the very end of the road"- Gen Heinz Guderian

Green Light CM Tourney- http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/ ... ?tid=46784

So, if I click on your link and boost your thread-views, that proves something, right? [:'(]

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

I think leaving a tree or two on the map after pressing F12 will remind someone who might forget that he has toggled them off.
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I skipped reading&nbsp;the POS tourney controversy stuff as it doesn't concern PCK.

ORIGINAL: Mobius

I think leaving a tree or two on the map after pressing F12 will remind someone who might forget that he has toggled them off.

I totally agree and I am tired of all this off topic.
[:-]

ORIGINAL: Poor Old Spike

Quote- You don't sound like you'd be any good at running a tournament..
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All the people who've entered my 6 Tourneys over the past year would disagree with you Charlie..
Oh, and although I take part in them myself, I've naturally barred myself as organiser from ever actually winning the silver trophies myself..

Check out my Green Light Tourney at Blitz, it's only been running 8 weeks and is on course for 10,000 thread views, a figure unprecedented (as far as I know) for any CM tourny anywhere before-

"When armoured formations are out on the loose they must be given the green light to the very end of the road"- Gen Heinz Guderian

Green Light CM Tourney- http://www.theblitz.org/message_boards/ ... ?tid=46784

Man, who would listen to this cheating fool. As far as Im aware your so called Tournaments consist of you playing everyone at the exact same scenario.

If your only gripe about a game is that YOU need all the trees off, then maybe you shouldn't be playing it? Im glad you dont like it, its another game you cant bugger up for everyone else then. BTW, you were never exonerated for your cheating at the Blitz, you were admonished, which means they knew you did it but let you off.

Cheers.


I like the F12 tree toggle and have absolutely no problem with it. Well done.