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Skotty, in each of the three aircraft at the bottom of your list, there is only one of the weapons mentioned. Are you OK with the ammo loadouts for these?

ORIGINAL: KG Erwin

Skotty, in each of the three aircraft at the bottom of your list, there is only one of the weapons mentioned. Are you OK with the ammo loadouts for these?

I only mentioned the weapons I see to be in error in the number of guns equiped. The other weapons are fine IMO and really don't have a number of HE for them. Doesn't the game abstract MG shots as bursts? And the same with autocannons. Only the 75mm gun on the B-25H may be one shell per HE ammo shot. Not sure here if the 75mm cannon would be fired more than once per pass in a turn. Also, I am only refering to the US OOB. A quick look at that after a PBEM game when my P-39's clobbered four Tigers in four passes with 37mm fire. I assume this 100% kill rate because the P-39 is currently armed with six 37mm cannons.

Ok guys, I said I was done with this, but another amazing one has come up, and I need help on it.

-The US LMG team (a two man team) that comes with the Armored Infantry platoon has a FC of 5 and a RF of 4.
-The regular two man LMG team in the US comes with a FC 0, RF 0.

I pointed this out to the OOB team. A US HMG has a FC/RF of 4/3, and the MMG has a 3/2.

So they fixed both light MG's by giving the LMG teams a 2/1, right?

NO. They gave the LMG team with the FC/RF of 0/0 a boost to 5/4.

Am I the only one baffled by this? This is a two man team, that can move and shoot, and now outguns most crew-served, tripod-stabilized weapons.

[&:][&:][&:]

Goblin

Goblin, I just got this from Bryan, so I'm passing it on:
"The 30 LMGs in 7.11 and 6.0 were not reflecting what these guns could do. These weapons rarely did any damage to enemy infantry. Many gamers complained about this and in order to have these weapons perform close to WW II era, the only thing that worked was to raise the FC and RF. Raising the warhead size changed the sound and graphic oddities were seen during testing. Only thing that could work for these was to raise the FC and RF instead. That is why they were raised - to get them to work correctly. You can pass this on to his request."
I can only add this-- make the changes yourself using the OOB Editor, and test them. You guys are getting this data, so incorporate it into your OOBs and see for yourself how it affects gameplay. Remember, ALL of you are potential playtesters, so take this as an example. Let the team know what you think. This is a preview of the changes we're making, BUT you have to make the changes on your own using the OOB Editor that comes with the game. Each and every OOB that features this weapon has to be changed.
I hope some of you will now realize how big of a job the OOB Team is undertaking for your benefit.
Speaking as a moderator, I think we should be appreciative of their volunteer efforts
to do the historical research and help improve our enjoyment of the game.

maybe they are two goblin team insteady to two men [&o]

I didn't quite understand that, Viking. Can you restate that? Should I buy you another beer ? The last time I saw that bowing routine, it was to the porcelain queen. Just kidding. Goblin deserves the honors. Now I'm REALLY just kidding. [:D]
Goblin, you know I love ya. I really, really miss those Depot smilies! I'd be giving my friend a two-finger salute. [;)]

ORIGINAL: VikingNo2

maybe they are two goblin team insteady to two men [&o]

Well, it makes HMG's and MMG's pointless, thats how it affects gameplay.

I thought it might be a 'They didn't feel right' thing. I was told during the initial 8.0 development that making MG's more deadly was not a great idea, that just PEN was going to be included. I see that applied only to stable, crew-served weapons, not to light MG teams, which were brutal killers compared to a HMG...[8|]

You do realize that people will buy these exclusively when they figure out that they have better stats than just about any HMG, and can move and shoot. The only balance will be to make their price 50 or something. Or make heavy MG's a 7/6 and MMG's a 6/5. Of course, then you have to boost forts and such too. Definately a good change.

Now I am done. When plain stupidity takes over, then it is pointless to argue. You guys ignore the logical arguments that quote sources, and then change something like this based on complaints on how it 'seems'.

Goblin- A Goblin is in complete disbelief[X(]

Well, Goblin, on your behalf, I see that USMC .30 cal MMGs and HMGs did NOT get this boost, and they don't deserve it. Let me do some off-site wrangling, and I'll get back to you.

Thank you, KG, it is appreciated, but you will most likely get them boosted to 7/6 or something by pointing that out (since they are MMG's and HMG's). I no longer care. I have had my say, just like prior to 8.0's release. Still, thanks for being willing to check.


Goblin

Maybe the recon status for the command unit of any company may be removed. It is noted that during some email game, some of them purchase such unit in mass. They will purchase the company and delete the rest, leaving the 2 or 1 company commander unit which will automatically equip with recon status. Such unit is espically good at scouting. Now I know why some ppl purchase so many unit in 2... they didnt purchase the section but they are using the company commander.

Losing such unit loss more point but they are harder to ambush thus making them hardier to kill.

ORIGINAL: Goblin

-The US LMG team (a two man team) that comes with the Armored Infantry platoon has a FC of 5 and a RF of 4.

Goblin

Thanks for pointing this out..<editor>..0 and 0 for now. Perhaps that 2/1 later.

Voriax

ORIGINAL: Voriax

ORIGINAL: Goblin

-The US LMG team (a two man team) that comes with the Armored Infantry platoon has a FC of 5 and a RF of 4.

Goblin

Thanks for pointing this out..<editor>..0 and 0 for now. Perhaps that 2/1 later.

Voriax

hey Vor how ya doing? PM me please.

regards,
sven

I have to say, to everyone reading this thread or others like it, and agreeing with the guys trying to correct these mistakes, that by not posting your opinions, it contributes to the degeneration of the OOB's. The OOB team will listen, but not to me, or anyone else that has been less than congenial with them. So stop reading and post. Same goes for you people that like the changes, post in support of them. Have your say one way or another.


Goblin

Yes, Yes another beer would be good, buy the reast of the guys at Matrix beers too, but please look into what Goblin is saying looks like a simple fix that was most likely overlooked. [:D][:D][8|][8D]

Can I complain again that I think it's a bad idea to link a unit's purchase cost with its availability? This scheme makes it very difficult to have balanced PBEM games. It will keep me playing v7.1.

Just wanted to get that off my chest.

[:'(]


Goblin

I have posted, last time just before the great crash. Just that I cannot spot everything
Btw Erwin, did you manage to capture all the aircraft bugs I had listed? Something like couple dozen or so in several oob's.

Voriax

I know. I was addressing those that have not posted yet.


Goblin

I know I have brought it up several times in the past but is the US 75mm Halftrack TD being changed ? No one has ever said yes or no to the question, currently it can only kill busses and halftracks [&:]

What about my T-50 tank?[&:]



The armor is wrong on it's front and sides by 5mm and the front slop should be at 50% not 30...

T-50 tank stats

I play tested the tank withthe new armor stats and it's a little more toughter for the smaller German guns to penetrate: esspesally the 37mm.

This would be an easy change for the 8.2 patch.