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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:16 pm
by Lowpe
Chinese Checkers:

Here is China, rather untidy.[:D]

The circled yellow wood ridge is where I have destroyed, or will destroy, 7 Chinese Corps and 1 HQ. They have been isolated and without supplies for 1-2 months, but they were tough to destroy.

The corps had somewhere between 200-400 assualt value and obviously had time to dig in a little. Despite being heavily outnumbered they did destroy some squads, but also were pretty darn good at disabling the IJA attackers. And they have taken around a month or more to wipe out these two hexes.

Since they were isolated they didn't retreat, but perhaps here is an answer on how to slow the Japanese juggernaut...just think how tough it would be if there were 3 corp of 250 av each all along the road...surely that would be a better use of troops than defending in the open in the Changsha triangle.

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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 12:58 pm
by Lowpe
Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...I feel better now that another infantry division has arrived along with 3 naval guard units plus more AA. My troops rely upon AA...

On the good news side of all this, is that the Allies have sunk a fair bit of American units here both air and ground which takes a little pressure off elsewhere.

The Allies have trashed the refineries at both Rangoon and Magwe, given me to think that nailing refineries is one of his strategic goals. I have subsequently tried to protect refineries first from his aerial assault, but so far he has shown no desire to strike deep from Ledo/Rangoon/Port Blair except at refineries.

I pretty much bought out all AA in Manchuko and sent the lions share of it here to Burma, even all but 3 of the machine cannons. They actually have forced the Allies to fly over 6000 feet, which is a pretty decent trade off for 10 PPs or so. Soon the independent guns will arrive and they might be able to poke bad enough wholes into the bombers to bring them down.

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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:13 pm
by JocMeister
Watch it though. The allies get a LOT of IDs in early 44. Something like 6-8 full IDs. I used them to secure the Marianas...

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:19 pm
by PaxMondo
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...
I would start running to Hanoi ... the oil is nice, but it is just bait to lose several good units that will take months to rebuild. If it wasn't bait, he would night bomb it to death .... Just my thinking ...

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:55 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Burma

Counting down to the Monsoon. Allies have reinforced the dirt road quite heavily, without pulling anything out of Prome. Burma is just a disaster waiting to happen, but Magwe is pumping 286 oil a day and it is getting out of Burma so for now...
I would start running to Hanoi ... the oil is nice, but it is just bait to lose several good units that will take months to rebuild. If it wasn't bait, he would night bomb it to death .... Just my thinking ...

He could day bomb it to death, doesn't have to worry about night bombing.

I am going to stick around a little longer, but I am very scared. I want to accomplish two things.

1. Get a little further on my push on the mountains in China.

2. See some stronger naval presence from the Allies here in the Bay of Bengal.

Northern Burma forces will start pulling back..no reason to be there as far as I can tell.

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 1:57 pm
by Lowpe
It is not great, but better than nothing. Air defenses at Lanchow protecting the oil.



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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:04 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Watch it though. The allies get a LOT of IDs in early 44. Something like 6-8 full IDs. I used them to secure the Marianas...

I won't be in Burma in 44.

I don't think the Japan can defend the Marianas successfully. I will try. Maybe the PI, but most likely not.

I will be collapsing inward, hopefully without losing too much while inflicting some lessons on the Allies. Buying time...conserving my forces...I hope.

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:09 pm
by JocMeister
Nah, the Marianas will be very hard to defend in the long run. You can make the allies bleed there though. And stall them for quite some time.

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:43 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Nah, the Marianas will be very hard to defend in the long run. You can make the allies bleed there though. And stall them for quite some time.

If I can do that, I will be quite happy.


RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:02 pm
by Lowpe
A look at my primary Army fighters in second half of 43 and beyond, that is until Frank.

Oscar IV and KI-100I. Not very impressive, slow, but armed with hard hitting centerline cannons...can carry bombs, but not with drop tanks.

Tojo IIc looks good except for the inferior guns...so it will go bye-bye. What to do with those factories?

KAI Dinah will stick around until Irving takes over night fighting duties.

I will be hard pressed to defend any industry that is within range of the Allied fighters.

I think I need to strip the HI of AA too. Just saying.





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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:55 pm
by Lowpe
Here is one way I am trying to use my airforce.

These Oscars are hanging out at Shwebo, and set to strafe naval targets to a range of 6 which puts the coastline of Burma within range from Akyab to Chittacong.

Also in the airbase, is a Sentai of A6M5cs on escort at 1000 feet.

Now, they will scream into their raid at 4-6K, fight with the CAP, but hopefully the Oscars can make their runs -- look at their bombing accuracy!

Shwebo hasn't been reconned in ages by the Allies, and as soon as it is these guys will fly out to safety, but I am hoping to get a good lick in low, after having dive bombed the last group from 10K.

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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:33 pm
by Lowpe
April 19, 1943

No night bombing raid.

Large aerial bombing in Prome.

Relative quiet elsewhere...catch another cargo ship off Burma.

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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:35 pm
by Lowpe
In China, out of the wood ridge terrain, and on to rough...

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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 9:37 pm
by topeverest
agree on the AA.

Do you subscribe to the massive counterpulse theory either at Luzon or Mariana's? I have always found Mariana's to be better for the counterpulse because of the lack of allied LBA support. You also can co-support the properties with the combined fleet.

How do you approach those key upcoming battles?


RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:07 pm
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: topeverest

agree on the AA.

Do you subscribe to the massive counterpulse theory either at Luzon or Mariana's? I have always found Mariana's to be better for the counterpulse because of the lack of allied LBA support. You also can co-support the properties with the combined fleet.

How do you approach those key upcoming battles?

I will defend both heavily. Luzon perhaps more, depending upon how the Allies advance and when. I actually think a lot of action will happen on the edges: Burma theater and Kuriles. Shortest route, and the Allies are very busy little boys in both places.

I like Luzon's big airfields, railroads. Tiemanj has shown himself very capable at attacking small islands, although he has stuck around them too long upon occasion.

I suspect he will advance upon a multi-front axis and it will be very difficult slowing him down...



RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 10:49 pm
by bigred
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don´t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

Bleak. Maybe really bleak.

Ki-83. Maybe 10/45. [X(] If I live that long, lol.

I just moved my last factory to r&d the Oscar IV, so I will get that in six weeks. Then the Ki100I, George, Frank....and then, if my ancestors are kind Sam J and Ki202 in fourth quarter 44. Lots, and lots and lots of them.



Sorry so late in thread. Just catching up. The KI-84 has caused me alot of greaf in Burma as allied player. It destroyed my British fighter ace pool when FatR had it deployed in early 44.

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:29 am
by Lowpe
ORIGINAL: bigred

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Yeah, how does your future on the plane side look? You don´t have a HR for altitudes do you? When can you get the Ki-83 online?

Bleak. Maybe really bleak.

Ki-83. Maybe 10/45. [X(] If I live that long, lol.

I just moved my last factory to r&d the Oscar IV, so I will get that in six weeks. Then the Ki100I, George, Frank....and then, if my ancestors are kind Sam J and Ki202 in fourth quarter 44. Lots, and lots and lots of them.



Sorry so late in thread. Just catching up. The KI-84 has caused me alot of greaf in Burma as allied player. It destroyed my British fighter ace pool when FatR had it deployed in early 44.

Definitely looking forward to Frank, just not going to be getting them that early. We will see how badly I get beat in the air for that decision.

RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:08 am
by Lowpe
Burma,

Targets at Chittagong...I hope I can catch them away from there. A vain hope I fear.

The strafing Oscars are now rested, repaired, but Shwebo is 105 supplies short of double...tough getting supplies there....thought about flying some in, but nope, we will see what happens. Still no detection levels.

Reserves are at Pegu...

More troops marching up out of Raheng...they will start to dig in at key spots securing escape routes.





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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:34 am
by Lowpe
More thinking on Burma

Goals: 1. Magwe pumping oil for as long as possible
2. Keep Burma road closed until I can seal it off on the Chinese side
3. Fight gradual retreating battle in favorable terrain (JR)
4. Don't get the IJA cut off

The last is the most important.

In northern Burma we have the the northern escape route, which is not very susceptible to paradrops and features really rugged terrain if mostly dirt road. Also there is the Burma road to think about.

A couple of liberated Chinese divisions took Shwebo, but then were easily repulsed and have not been seen since. I think in this area the Allies face a poor supply situation. Allied recon is weak here.

This area is primarily held by the RTA.






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RE: Burma Bungle!

Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:52 am
by Lowpe
In the south, Moulmein and Pegu are of critical importance, as is keeping the rail line open for a fast transit to the south.

Once the line is broken IJA needs to get to Udon Thani and from there to the next line. Not an easy job...

An Allied landing and then push east from Tavoy is really worrisome as that pretty much cuts everything off. You can blaze a way thru the jungle and jungle ridge 1 hex from Uttardit to the dirt road to Udon Thani, but slow going. Pegu to Chiang Myi is also a possibility, but I fear everything would be cut off by the time they got to Chiang.

For now I have command of the seas, but that will change...is changing.

Allied paratroop strength is quite strong, even with wiping out 1 chindit unit, and heavily damaging the second....









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