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RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:00 pm
by Hard Sarge
I like the game, but I find myself getting fed up after a couple of turns, saving it and doing something else, and then going back
so it got lot of good going for it, but enough bad, that it gets you fed up
but again, nothing a small patch shouldn't be able to settle
a lot of times, when a game is getting close, you are more concerned with being sure it works, not in how it works
I think it just needs a little tuneing
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 10:16 pm
by Fred98
ORIGINAL: pompack
Have you tried ordering it from NWS-Online?
Those prices are from NWS-Online.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 3:47 pm
by Howard Mitchell
ORIGINAL: Dixie
but it's just over £20 to get it sent to me in the UK (which is [:)][&o])
Try
www.duchet.com based in Chepstow. I got my copy from them for £24.99 plus £1.00 p&P. It arrived 48 hours later.
The game looks quite interesting, but I haven't had time to do more than load it up so far.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 4:03 pm
by goodboyladdie
If I did buy it, it will only be as a fix until the real thing comes along to ruin my life. The new screenshots posted today by HS certainly whet the appetite...
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Fri Sep 15, 2006 8:26 pm
by Dixie
ORIGINAL: Howard Mitchell
ORIGINAL: Dixie
but it's just over £20 to get it sent to me in the UK (which is [:)][&o])
Try
www.duchet.com based in Chepstow. I got my copy from them for £24.99 plus £1.00 p&P. It arrived 48 hours later.
The game looks quite interesting, but I haven't had time to do more than load it up so far.
It's on it's way from the US as we speak, £22.24 all told including airmail.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 6:27 pm
by Capt Cliff
My opinion ...YUCK! It's half a game! Where's the USAAF? Tiller is a snake oil saleman! His operational games are pseudo tactical games and his tactical games are pseudo operational. His modelling of operational combat is all wrong! I think he surf's the Matrix site looking for new game ideas to copy. Strange, he hasn't tried WitP!
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Mon Sep 18, 2006 8:53 pm
by Nicholas Bell
My opinion ...YUCK! It's half a game! Where's the USAAF? Tiller is a snake oil saleman! His operational games are pseudo tactical games and his tactical games are pseudo operational. His modelling of operational combat is all wrong! I think he surf's the Matrix site looking for new game ideas to copy. Strange, he hasn't tried WitP!
John Tiller did not design DTR. Greg Smith and Jim Lunsford did, and it has is roots in a board wargame Greg did a decade ago, long before Matrix. The game design/intent is to focus on the battle between Bomber Command and the Luftwaffe. It is not intended to be an HPS version of Bombing the Reich. There's plenty of room for multiple games with different takes on the same subject.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:54 am
by SMK-at-work
US$24 postage cost is for premium post from the US - you can take the standard mail ("GPM") for US$8.99.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:40 pm
by ezzler
Well it's definately BTR light !!
That said it is enjoyable. The interface is good if not perfect, and you soon learn to deal with the oddities.
Does seem to be a lot of crashed Luftwaffe planes compared to RAF. I know many me-110 and Ju 88 had problems landing with the radar affecting landing speeds and the Me 109 crashed on landing day OR night but it still seems a bit high.
I do like the RAF bomber offensive theme.
If you want a simple version that's easy to play and finish pretty quickly this will do.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:15 am
by Adam Parker
ORIGINAL: ezz
That said it is enjoyable. The interface is good if not perfect, and you soon learn to deal with the oddities...
I do like the RAF bomber offensive theme.
If you want a simple version that's easy to play and finish pretty quickly this will do.
Yeah I agree with this summary. I love the other guy's rant btw trashing John Tiller when he's has no involvement with this game at all! [:D]
I'm finding HPS's "Defending the Reich" a pretty addictive "just one more turn" game. Very quick to play and some cool strategic and operational problem solving. I'm playing as the Allies and the key to winning is keeping your losses below a trend line whilst causing as much damage in acreage as possible. However, it is easy to loose 60 planes in week's missions. A sure way to give the Germans an overall win.
I hope more than anything that Matrix does this Talonsoft re-release (ie: "Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich") properly. I've always wanted to play the originals but I just can't sit in front of a screen for a half-hour to an hour and have nothing to do but watch. And the work load in running the Air War over the Reich is just massively micromanaged. Please reduce this workload and make the resolution phase something to enjoy guys!
Cheers,
Adam.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 7:39 am
by Augenstein
ORIGINAL: Adam Parker
ORIGINAL: ezz
That said it is enjoyable. The interface is good if not perfect, and you soon learn to deal with the oddities...
I do like the RAF bomber offensive theme.
If you want a simple version that's easy to play and finish pretty quickly this will do.
Yeah I agree with this summary. I love the other guy's rant btw trashing John Tiller when he's has no involvement with this game at all! [:D]
I'm finding HPS's "Defending the Reich" a pretty addictive "just one more turn" game. Very quick to play and some cool strategic and operational problem solving. I'm playing as the Allies and the key to winning is keeping your losses below a trend line whilst causing as much damage in acreage as possible. However, it is easy to loose 60 planes in week's missions. A sure way to give the Germans an overall win.
I hope more than anything that Matrix does this Talonsoft re-release (ie: "Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich") properly. I've always wanted to play the originals but I just can't sit in front of a screen for a half-hour to an hour and have nothing to do but watch. And the work load in running the Air War over the Reich is just massively micromanaged. Please reduce this workload and make the resolution phase something to enjoy guys!
Cheers,
Adam.
I strongly disagree here. I find the massive detail and micromanaging the most interesting parts in BTR, these are the reasons that got me addicted to BTR, there are not many games of this genre in the market anyways. These are the reasons that make BTR unique.
- Augie
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 9:02 am
by von Shagmeister
Hi Augenstein,
I agree with you, being a control freak I love all the micromanagement (production, research etc). I understand that not everybody wants this level of control but some people do.
von Shagmeister
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:17 pm
by David Heath
Hi Guys
This game is going to be more of a War in the Pacific style game set in the Air War over Europe.
David
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 5:08 pm
by Justascratch
This is an area where the Matrix complexity ratings come into play. I personally love to bury myself in the details while I attempt to think, scheme and plan my way to a victory. I think these types of games are few and far between and have suffered a great deal at the hands of the real-time strategy products that have been dominating wargame design over the past few years. Please keep the original intent of these wonderful games in tact and let's not trade depth and detail for eye candy.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 6:30 pm
by Hard Sarge
Hmmm
overall, got to say, this is still the same game as it was, with most of the known bugs knocked out, and if anything more details to play around with
we have added new features, touched up and correct some that didn't work the way they were planned
overall, I would have to say, if you liked it in the past, you will like it now (hopefully even more so), but if you didn't like the game before, I do not think you will like it now
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 6:03 pm
by Justascratch
Excellent! It's not suprising that Gary's games hold up so well considering his talent and experience. I still own original copies of BOB & BTR and will gladly pay for this release.
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2006 10:21 am
by langley
I also have both of the orginal games but I am looking forward to the release of this new version.
MJT
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 10:13 pm
by Marc gto
im with justscratch..i also own both copies and cant wait for the re release
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:03 am
by sprior
ORIGINAL: langley
I also have both of the orginal games but I am looking forward to the release of this new version.
MJT
Me too!
RE: Defending the Reich
Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:52 am
by Terminus
Me three... Though I think I'd still like to pick up DtR as well, for poops and giggles...