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ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Tankerace
So you really can't fault the movie there....

Come on, Tanker... Birds gotta fly, pigs gotta roll around in the mud, and Ron's gotta whine like a circular saw going through hardwood. Even though his whining's normally as meaningless as Paris Hilton singing...[8|]

WTF is your problem, Terminus?[:-] At least I don't engage in meaningless blather or take shots at folks for no reason.

I like Ron's comments.....if for no other reason, than the 2 bikini hotties in his signature [8D]
 

ORIGINAL: Demosthenes

ORIGINAL: Tankerace

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

Looks like complete crap. Anyone notice that black pilot? Yeah, quite the creative stretching of historical fact. Bound to be a chick oriented date flick.

Hate to burst your bubble Ron, but Eugene Bullard was the first black aviator in history, and flew with the Lafayette Flying Corps in 1917.

He joined the French Foriegn legion in 1914, and after being wounded at Verdun in 1916 transferred to the Aéronautique Militaire. The fact he had the Croix de Guerre probably helped.

He was assigned to 93 Spad Squadron from August 1917-January 1918, where he claimed two aircraft shot down.

After a fight with a superior, he was transferred back to the Infantry until the Armistice.

He was not allowed to fight or fly for the United States army (even though he applied when the U.S. entered the war), and thus served with the French.

The Black pilot in the movie is loosely based on him.

Yah, you can still fault the movie - it was a piece of complete Hollywood CRAP.
And they did not bother to say "this is Eugene Bullard - the World's first African American Pilot...who was instrumental in defeating yet more evil Germans" but the point is ...Ron is dead on right - it was C-R-A-P.

Actually, if you had copied my entire post, I said "You cannot fault the movie there", not just "You cannot fault the movie."

ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

To all who are reading this thread, Ron Saueracker is a semi-regular poster to the thread and he knows us. He knows we are kidding when we give him a hard time and he gives it right back to us.

What does that make me? [&:]

Haven't seen it yet, or many other movies in theaters since that total piece of crap fest called PH. 
 
Speaking of Hollywood, has anybody heard anything more about the proposed plan to make a movie about Billy Fiske (US Olympic star & rich playboy who married some well off British socialite and joined the RAF during the BoB)?  Last I heard it was supposed to star the loony half of TomKat.  Storied kind of faded after his loony antics and a minor uproar in the UK (after U-571 I can't really blame them either).

ORIGINAL: afspret

Haven't seen it yet, or many other movies in theaters since that total piece of crap fest called PH. 

Speaking of Hollywood, has anybody heard anything more about the proposed plan to make a movie about Billy Fiske (US Olympic star & rich playboy who married some well off British socialite and joined the RAF during the BoB)?  Last I heard it was supposed to star the loony half of TomKat.  Storied kind of faded after his loony antics and a minor uproar in the UK (after U-571 I can't really blame them either).

Actually it seemed that even Hollywood hesitated to show a film showing that an American pilot won the BoB (and hence, saved the world from evil Nazi) alone....

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

Actually it seemed that even Hollywood hesitated to show a film showing that an American pilot won the BoB (and hence, saved the world from evil Nazi) alone....

Well U-571 showed that the Americans won the battle of the Atlantic, and Pearl Harbor [the movie] showed us all what two chiseled feature Yanks can do to an entire incoming strike. [:D]

ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

Another factor for movies - here in Florida movies in the evening are $8.50 and matinees are $6.00.

Our prices are about the same here. I had to laugh though. I went to a theater where matinees were only shows starting before 2:00PM and the first movie showing that day started at 2:05PM. [&:][:D]

ORIGINAL: AmiralLaurent

ORIGINAL: afspret

Haven't seen it yet, or many other movies in theaters since that total piece of crap fest called PH. 

Speaking of Hollywood, has anybody heard anything more about the proposed plan to make a movie about Billy Fiske (US Olympic star & rich playboy who married some well off British socialite and joined the RAF during the BoB)?  Last I heard it was supposed to star the loony half of TomKat.  Storied kind of faded after his loony antics and a minor uproar in the UK (after U-571 I can't really blame them either).

Actually it seemed that even Hollywood hesitated to show a film showing that an American pilot won the BoB (and hence, saved the world from evil Nazi) alone....

Hollywood would never let reality stand in the way of a good story (or a bad one that makes money). I'm sure the idea will resurface, give it time.

Hollywood really should have went for it all . . . have the Duke on the quarterdeck of the Constitution defeating the Franco-Spanish fleet at Trafalger, Errol Flynn and the 7th cavalry at Balaclava, 3rd Army at El Alamein, the possibilities are endless. It did lead to some great moments in cinematic history, however. Watching the Duke play a mongol in Tamerlane may have been one of the unintentionally funniest films of all time. Either that or River's Edge.

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

Thin Red Line stunk to high heaven. I dont know if you can even qualify it as a war movie.

Thin Red Line was about war to a degree; it did have battle scenes after all. I just think it was more complex than a let's-go-get-this-paratrooper-home film. It was about the corporate psychology of war, man's role in nature, man's inhumanity to man . . . I'll stop before I hurl. Malik's screenplay/dialogue was the same in Brave New World, that kind of internal monologue where a person is always questioning reality, motivation, etc. So much so that there is never an answer. You either like it or you don't. I don't like it, but at least it's different. Travolta and Nolte as officers wasn't exactly inspired casting either.

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

I stand corrected on the Black Pilot, I did not know this. Interesting that this was the case in WWI considering all the discrimination the blacks endured prior to and after WWI. I still bet it is soooo far off the mark historically and is more a chick flick than anything.

It was not untill 1994 that the US Airforce reconized Eugene and commisioned him.

For Fact vs Fiction in Flyboys see:

http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_ ... r%20WW1%22

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk
Thin Red Line was about war to a degree; it did have battle scenes after all. I just think it was more complex than a let's-go-get-this-paratrooper-home film. It was about the corporate psychology of war, man's role in nature, man's inhumanity to man . . . I'll stop before I hurl. Malik's screenplay/dialogue was the same in Brave New World, that kind of internal monologue where a person is always questioning reality, motivation, etc. So much so that there is never an answer. You either like it or you don't. I don't like it, but at least it's different. Travolta and Nolte as officers wasn't exactly inspired casting either.

Ah, in other words...crap. Got it.

Actually, I got the point of all that, but it always so silly and pretenteous to me that I doubt that I could actually put into words how much I disliked that movie.

What about Clooney as an officer?

Incidentally. I just saw a trailer for a movie called "Flags of our fathers"...I think its the story of the fellow that took the Mt. Suribachi picture. Not a war movie per se, but looked interesting.

best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

best "recent" war movie i saw was "Enemy at the Gates"

Unpretentious.....pretty gritty portrayl of life in the Grad....

Except that most of it is BS.

how so?

I don't know about "most" of it. The Germans never sent a super-sniper to hunt for Zaitsev, but other than that...

I saw Fly Boys and enjoyed it very much. I went in expecting the action scenes to be way over the top and I don't think they were at all. Now I'll admit I'm no WWI air war expert so the plane types may have been over done but all in all I feel that I got my money’s worth.

Pbear posted this in another thread.
 
Check this out

http://www.mgm.com/flyboys/pdf/real_vs_reel.pdf#search=%22Eugene%20Skinner%20WW1%22

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I don't know about "most" of it. The Germans never sent a super-sniper to hunt for Zaitsev, but other than that...

Yes, but then i don't consider the movie to be a "historical recreation" of Stalingrad in terms of the great scheme of things. Rather, i thought it was a well made and written movie that gives you a taste of war. Saving Private Ryan is another example (though i didn't warm to it for some reason) Loosely based on historical events, it was more about the drama of war than any real life recreation.