CHS - is anyone finished yet?

[pauk]

ok, you qot my attention[;)]

map is, i suppose, AB map? and what is radical about CVO?

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

ORIGINAL: pauk
Look, i'm not here to have another debate "my dady is stronger than yours" look a like...

But mine is..........[:'(][;)]

it was only a question of time when you will show up with your classical stupid comments
[:D]

[Helpless]

The thing which keeps me from RHS so far, is the supply sink idea, which I'm not fully uderstand.

As for CHS, despite mentioned facts, there is much reduced level of roads and bases. This also prevents blitzing for both sides. China is much more difficult for Japan in CHS. Which is good even I mostly play Japan [:)]

[ctangus]

This isn't quite as late as you're asking about, but here's some info that might help you:

PBEM. CHS Scen 50 (May '42 start - it's mostly the CHS 1.x database, but there are a number of database errors that affect both sides.) Currently Mid-April '43.

ORIGINAL: pauk

succesfull Allied advance through Burma in 1943

I'm currently assaulting both Mandalay & Lashio on the ground. I have been since Dec '42 and it's a stalemate that will probably last at least another 4 months if not more.

This wouldn't have been possible, however, without a failed India invasion which I stopped on the beaches (July or August). I chased after the retreating invaders, hoping to take Mandalay while those divisions were still beat up. I haven't taken Mandalay but I did re-open the Burma road.

succ. Allied advance on HI via northern route in late 43 early 44

Probably would be possible, but it frankly doesn't interest me. Currently my oponnent holds the western Aleutians & I have strong forces in the eastern Aleutians but no offensive plans.

End of the game on 1.1.45 due Allied victory on points*

I think it's possible if someone played better than me. [:'(] But I think they'd have to play extremely well. I've never been in danger of losing an auto-victory but I've taken a lot of losses and I'm uncertain if I can ever win an auto-victory either.

Here's a sample of the combat report from a couple turns ago:

Day Air attack on TF, near Savaii at 95,112

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 9
N1K Rex x 3
J2M Jack x 21
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 30
Ki-61-Ib Tony x 9

Allied aircraft
Seafire I/II x 7
F4F-4 Wildcat x 31
FM-2 Wildcat x 39
SB2C Helldiver x 79
TBF Avenger x 64

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 2 destroyed
N1K Rex: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 14 destroyed, 2 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire I/II: 6 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 19 destroyed
FM-2 Wildcat: 25 destroyed
SB2C Helldiver: 10 destroyed, 9 damaged
TBF Avenger: 6 destroyed, 21 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Fuso, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
BB Ise, Bomb hits 2
BB Kongo, Bomb hits 1
BB Yamashiro, Bomb hits 6, on fire
BB Nagato
BB Yamato, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Hiei, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Tenryu
CA Atago

Day Air attack on TF at 98,113

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 22
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 36
Ki-61-Ib Tony x 17

Allied aircraft
Seafire I/II x 52
F4F-4 Wildcat x 40
FM-2 Wildcat x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 13 destroyed
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 17 destroyed
Ki-61-Ib Tony: 10 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Seafire I/II: 3 destroyed, 8 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 12 destroyed, 16 damaged
FM-2 Wildcat: 3 destroyed, 7 damaged

Allied Ships
CLAA Oakland
CV Essex, Torpedo hits 1
CVL Princeton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire

Total air losses for that day were about 140 allied vs. 90 Japanese.

My opponent is certainly still fighting back effectively.

I've had one major successful counter-offensive up until now - I took all of Timor and a couple surrounding islands in early Feb '43. My opponent wasn't prepared for it and I maybe could have pushed further, but I was slowed down by a lack of transports & aviation support.

I'd be happy to answer more questions if you have any.

[pauk]

supply sink - what is that????

[Helpless]

ORIGINAL: pauk

supply sink - what is that????

This is very creative way to improve WITP economical model. Guess someone else could explain it better.
tm.asp?m=1272431

[pauk]

ctangus, this is exactly what i was looking for....It seems that you are satisfied with CHS?


any plans to make an AAR? i think it would be interesting read[:)]

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: pauk

succesfull Allied advance through Burma in 1943

succ. Allied advance on HI via northern route in late 43 early 44

End of the game on 1.1.45 due Allied victory on points*


*all those examples were seen against good Japanese players in AARs

I have a CHS game vs Bill W (ADM Halsey) that is mid 43. Since this was Bill's first attempt as Japan he pretty much has had his expansion plans cut very short of the historical Japanese high tide. Java and some of the DEI is still Allied, China has remained static for a year and a half, New Guinea and the Solomons are basically undeveloped and remain a barren no man's land for the most part except for the SE tip of NG (Allied concentration) and Guadalcanal (Japanese concentration, and New Caledonia is Jap. With regard to any so called Allied Blitzkrieg through Burma in 43 I can't say this is possible. Bill never made it past Moulmein but despite this and all the fronts Bill is fighting on (Java has over 50 Jap LCUs committed because of the Allied defenders in eastern Java) I can't take Rahaeng or advance farther than Tavoy. We are basically deadlocked.

I'll be updating the AAR once it gets a little more interesting. Link to the 1943 CHS AAR...

1943 CHS AAR

[ctangus]

ORIGINAL: pauk

ctangus, this is exactly what i was looking for....It seems that you are satisfied with CHS?

Glad it's helpful. Yes, I'm satisfied with it. Except when viberpol sinks my BBs & CVs! [:'(] (He's done far too well at that!) Perfect - no - but I'm having fun & my opponent seems to be too.

The scenario I'm playing has stock A2A (with all that entails). On the plus-side there's a wide variety of ships which adds color to the game, and I think AB's map slows down offensives (paritcularly on the ground) for either side. I think I'd be further advanced both in Burma & China if we were playing on the stock map.

For my next game I think I'd like a CHS game with the Nik-mod A2A changes.

any plans to make an AAR? i think it would be interesting read[:)]

Not right now. I'm already doing 1 AAR and that takes more time than I thought when I started it. Maybe in a few weeks - I might have more free time then.

[pauk]

Bill and Ctangus, thanks to both of you...i'm really close to try CHS/Nik mod and i'm already have a formidable opponent... even considering an AAR but not sure that anyone than Speedy (he is a crap player and he must learn from the Master) would be interesting in Pauk corner II...?

[ctangus]

Well, I'd probably read a Pauk's Corner #2. (So that's 2 readers at least.) I haven't posted in #1 for a while but I still read it. Even if you're a shameless JFB! [;)][:'(]

Out of curiosity, who's the opponent?

[pauk]

Adm Spruance...from what i know he is one of the top Allied player...

As for shameless JFB.. well, i couldn't get better compliment[;)][:D]

(i guess that you have Irish roots, otherwise you couldn't be so nice person[;)][:D])

[Przemcio231]

Well i Played Stock , Nik Mode and Standart CHS i liked CHS AB Map , Diversed shipping and such some new planes but this game has so many other Flaws i now that Pauk will crucify me but i don't think that Japanese taking India , Australia was possible... this game should reflect that and here well you just pack up few Divisions take the Death Star KB and lots of BB's you hit a port on the Coast then quikly move in the Zeros and you got a indestructible bridgehead till let's say September 1942 the Allies can only deam of inflicting any damage to the KB so you happily murder any air opposition. This game dose not reflect Fuel and Supply problems that Japan was facing... tell me why didn't japan simply load up few Divisions up on the Transports send the Fleet to escort and smash US on Guadalcanal??

[pauk]

you will be suprised but i won't crusify you[:D]...

I know there are many players who want to play in "historical mode". I guess i'm one of them but on the evil side[:)]. main problem with Uber AFB is that they can't accept reality but they always using "historical" arguments to bear out their poor play. That is something i can not accept. the bottom line is - ok, Japan can take Singapore 14 earlier than historical, Japan can sink all American carriers early in the war - but who cares?

He will qot all this carriers back as Essexs and he will be able to return the favour. Just need to be patient. On the other side, Japan can not affort a single mistake, and even he/she (is there anyone... doubt it...) doesn't make a big mistake he can not hope for historical surrender date... and that is all about it... i'm not interested in wining (i would choose Allies and play Sir Robin and win) - i'm interested in lasting longer than historical (or something near historical surrender date) if i done better than Japan was done in RL...

I play this game for the fun.. and of course honour[:D]

[VSWG]

ORIGINAL: ctangus

Well, I'd probably read a Pauk's Corner #2. (So that's 2 readers at least.)

Make that 3. [8D]

[Speedysteve]

ORIGINAL: pauk
even considering an AAR but not sure that anyone than Speedy (he is a crap player and he must learn from the Master) would be interesting in Pauk corner II...?

Pfft. Wouldn't waste my time. I notice you post in my AAR. Clearly to learn about how tio employ submarines..........and conduct naval assaults....and co-ordinated operational offensives......[:'(]

[VSWG]

Well, he's certainly not reading your AAR to learn modesty and humility... [:'(]

[Speedysteve]

Mode what? Humil what?[;)]

[pauk]

ORIGINAL: Speedy

ORIGINAL: pauk
even considering an AAR but not sure that anyone than Speedy (he is a crap player and he must learn from the Master) would be interesting in Pauk corner II...?

Pfft. Wouldn't waste my time. I notice you post in my AAR. Clearly to learn about how tio employ submarines..........and conduct naval assaults....and co-ordinated operational offensives......[:'(]

Bah...my opponent lost app 70 subs so far - i lost only 30... learn about how to get co-ordinated offensives... phew, Gary prohibited that for honourable Japanese players[:'(]

btw.... is Beckham returning to the national team...buahahhaha.... you Engladers must be desperate....[:'(]

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: pauk

greetings...

It seems there are quite a few CHS admirers here. Also, there are several CHS AARs but they are mostly in the opening rounds.

I'm interested if anyone finished this mod/how far he gone?

I'm planing to start this game in the future, but must admit that i'm pretty sceptical (sp?) about CHS playability in the late war because it is obvious that modders done this mod based mostly on early period war experience...(really dont have enough spare time for geting knowing with mod, play it for year and half and realise that this isn't it)

I'm mean, i wouldn't like to play this mod and suddently realise, somewhere in late 43 and early 44, that uber-allied blitzkrieg is still possible. From what i've read, there is no uber-japs blitzkrieg in the early period of the war, now i would like to hear your impressions about late period...

thanks...

I've gotten to Jan '44 in CHS (with 7 Dec 41 start) and Sept '43 (with 7 Dec 41 start) both with me as Japanese. Can't say they are much different. Once the P-38s show up (in significant numbers) in either version, the Japanese are "sunk" in the air war. Other differences in the games I would attribute more to the players involved than to the scenarios.