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RE: asymetric/guerilla warfare
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 5:38 pm
by bartholimew
Name me a guerilla war that was not backed up by an outside force and I'll show you a civil war lost by the insurgency.
You can't have a successful insurgency without financial and material backing from somewhere. As long as materials fuel the fire it will go on. So get rid of the broker nation and problem solved.
RE: asymetric/guerilla warfare
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:10 pm
by Sardonic
ORIGINAL: bartholimew
Name me a guerilla war that was not backed up by an outside force and I'll show you a civil war lost by the insurgency.
You can't have a successful insurgency without financial and material backing from somewhere. As long as materials fuel the fire it will go on. So get rid of the broker nation and problem solved.
I would suggest that it depends a bit upon the CAUSE of the insurgency.
Rebellions in Pannonia and Dalmatia in the late 1st century BC were caused because the people faced
excessive taxation at the hands of Rome. They did lose, but only after 4 years of very bitter fighting.
In the case of Iraq, You cant suppress Russia or China, and they are the ultimate backers of Iran > Iraq.
Also, in the Boer War, I find it hard to believe that the Boer's got any material aid from anyone, once England
got involved.
RE: asymetric/guerilla warfare
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 6:42 pm
by Ursa MAior
ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85
How much do you know about Islam? There is no hearts and minds to be won short of completely pulling out of the ME including giving muslims Israel, India, Spain and Indonesia. Muslims consider all of that territory theirs. Actually all land are muslim land because it was created by Allah. Study Islam and read the Quran. It's pretty interesting.
Well I think quite a lot about it. Do you know for example that jyhad is ONLY valid against PAGANS. Not against the people of the book (ie christians and jews). One cannot blame a whole religion for what a minority did. What you have just stated sound like it has come from a military officer's handbook. Simple and straightforward.
As of hearts and minds in Malaysia the population is mostly muslim, or see SAS in Aden -the famous firqat- they are muslims too. So I am sorry to say that but you are wrong.
Edit. As of Bushido and Japan. You are probably unaware of the recent (2005) turmoil between Korea, China AND Japan because in the japanese schoolbooks the attrocities of the japanese army are STILL not even mentioned. The answer is no the bombs have not changed the bushido. The previous japanese PM (Koizuni IIRC) have regularly visited the Temple of the WWII heroes of Japan, causing outrage from China and South Korea.
Edit Foreign powers supporting guerillas, the malays were also not supported by anybody.
RE: asymetric/guerilla warfare
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 7:32 pm
by Knuckles_85
ORIGINAL: Ursa MAior
ORIGINAL: Knuckles_85
How much do you know about Islam? There is no hearts and minds to be won short of completely pulling out of the ME including giving muslims Israel, India, Spain and Indonesia. Muslims consider all of that territory theirs. Actually all land are muslim land because it was created by Allah. Study Islam and read the Quran. It's pretty interesting.
Well I think quite a lot about it. Do you know for example that jyhad is ONLY valid against PAGANS. Not against the people of the book (ie christians and jews). One cannot blame a whole religion for what a minority did. What you have just stated sound like it has come from a military officer's handbook. Simple and straightforward.
As of hearts and minds in Malaysia the population is mostly muslim, or see SAS in Aden -the famous firqat- they are muslims too. So I am sorry to say that but you are wrong.
Edit. As of Bushido and Japan. You are probably unaware of the recent (2005) turmoil between Korea, China AND Japan because in the japanese schoolbooks the attrocities of the japanese army are STILL not even mentioned. The answer is no the bombs have not changed the bushido. The previous japanese PM (Koizuni IIRC) have regularly visited the Temple of the WWII heroes of Japan, causing outrage from China and South Korea.
Edit Foreign powers supporting guerillas, the malays were also not supported by anybody.
Umm no. Jihad can be waged can be waged against kufrs or people of the book. That's the point of the Jizya, it's a form of extortion. Pay it our you will not have our "protection". It also depends on what you are talking about when you say Jihad cause Jihad has many meanings including an eternal struggle from ones self. My knowledge of Islam comes from what muslims scholars say, the Quran, and from muslims themselves. I've never been in the military and have never seen a military hand book. Read the Suras on the relationship between Muslims and the people of the book (kufr not Kaffir there's a difference). You are not to take them as friends, confidants, or protectors. They are liars. As for the Bushido have you noticed that they now act politically not agressively like they used to. I say that's a pretty big philosophy change.
RE: asymetric/guerilla warfare
Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 10:30 pm
by Erik Rutins
Well, I guess I was a bit naive to think we could keep this to the abstract. Locking this up now, we can all get our desire to discuss this out elsewhere.