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RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:09 pm
by pauk
had damaged air groups while they are transfered from the CVs at sea to the base.... very annoying.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:12 pm
by String
ORIGINAL: pauk

had damaged air groups while they are transfered from the CVs at sea to the base.... very annoying.
you were probably docked.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:21 pm
by pauk
nah, it happens to me when my CVs WERE AT SEA several hexes away from the base....

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:34 am
by Accipiter
I can tell you with certainty that as the Japanese player I have reran a turn after finishing it (and sending it my opponent) as I forgot to save a back-up and wanted to see how many 90+ exp pilots I had. The turn results were not the same at all. One land combat in the first run through got 1:1 odds and lowered a fort level while in the second run through I got 0:1 odds without a fort reduction. An airfield attack in the first run destroyed about 30 a/c on the ground, in the second it was closer to 50. In the first run, I had a Val squadran bomber a port city in Russia (which didn't have this order to begin with) while the second run that a/c group did not fly.

I reran the turn over and over again (about 3 times) but everytime after the first I got the results the same as in the second. I informed my opponent of all of this and since that time the buggy situation hasn't reoccurred (as far as I know). But I haven't reran the turn every time since to be absolutely sure.

My opponent got the same combat results as what I experienced in the combat replay and combat report during the first run. It was quite disconcerting that that could happen.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:52 am
by tsimmonds
I expect the only reason you got a different result was because you had ended the turn. This is probably the action that generates a new 'seed' for the die rolls. Had you not ended the turn and re-run it, you would have gotten the same result. Your opponent did get the same result you got the first time you ran it. In your case, IJ got a different result, but there was no way for him to use it.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:03 am
by Greco, Thomas A

I must be a suspicious and paranoid type, because I'm not convinced. I don't think the average player can cheat, but how about the computer geek that understands the code? Some time ago I had a japanese player who always knew exactly where I would be. Once I took a CV TF and moved it about 600 miles east of Canton and, if spotted by a Glen, I would sprint away in a random direction. It took about a week, but he showed up exactly five hexes away with the KB and turned me into a reef. Later I sailed my two remaining CVs all the way around Oz and he showed up with the little KB exactly 5 hexes away and turned me into another reef. Now I'm not that good and I can get real sloppy, but that made me so suspicious it ruined the game. I have since played some very, very good players but I can usually figure out how I screwed up and if not, I ask. It has not happened since. So I wonder if it is possible to change the code or the game somehow just enough to get the other guys password.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:38 am
by Bodhi
ORIGINAL: Greco, Thomas A
So I wonder if it is possible to change the code or the game somehow just enough to get the other guys password.

Well, it's possible to get data from the game save file. Woos has done it for his decoder, and I have a suspicion others may have done it before him. Some may even be in the process of doing it now. [;)]

The bottom line is that you have to trust your opponent. The safeguards in place may deter the casual cheater, but those determined to cheat can probably do so if they are that way inclined.

RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:55 am
by Charles2222
You mention a Glen spotting your force, but how do you know it wasn't spotted by another Glen later? If your answer is that every plane that spots soemthing, is always spotted, and I don't know that for sure myself, then surely that is poor game design, but even so, unless you were real careful, I would think it possible that it was on the intel report and you overlooked it. You may had gone off to an area where you were so sure you wouldn't be spotted that you disregarded the report. I would think that fairly easy to do so as an allied player, because it's easy to lose track of the fact that since your subs don't have recon planes that one might forget from time to time that the IJN does. This would be futher amplified if you had very reliable recon that would spot his ships (surface variety) easily and if then not spotting any you might conclude that he wasn't spotting you. Just throwing a few possibilities at you is all, though cheating is always possible.


RE: Ability for IJN player to cheat in PBEM?

Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 7:09 pm
by Greco, Thomas A
I would think that the radar on the CV TFs would provide fairly accurate reports of enemy sout planes, but I am not sure of that. I assume that the intel reports are accurate about being spotted, if not, I'd like to know that.