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ORIGINAL: UndercoverNotChickenSalad

 

When ur just barely cranking out ur 8th villager and the enemy is attacking u w/ 27 heavy cavs it aint b/c he clicked faster.  [8D]

Certainly is. RTS games have templates. Once those templates are created everyone uses them, then, it just becomes he who can clik the fastest and get their firstest with the mostest. I see it all the time in Guild Wars as well since the PVP is real time, everybody and their mothers brother copies the #1 ranked guilds template, though copying a template doesn't mean you can clik faster AND think faster. RTS requires both hand agility and mind agility....that's not a wargame well in the sense of what a "true" wargame is and always has been. It's just a clickfest and a brain numbing activity that can cause carpel tunnel and other aches & pains to your wrists/arms/elbows, plus give you massive headaches.

No one mentioned Panzer General? [X(][X(]
 
That's the one that started it for me.
 

1.  War in the Pacific
2.   Uncommon Valor
3.   SPwaw
4.   Combat Mission- series all three
5.   Birth of America
6.   EU2 and maybe 3
7.   Dominions 3
8.   World at War(a world Divided)
9.   Art of operational warfare
10.  SC2
 
 This is my list![:D]

I wasn't going to respond to this thread because I don't really get much out of top 10 lists, but after reading this thread over time I thought I'd give it a try.

1. VASSAL (Not really a wargame in itself but I play most of my games on the computer with it, so I guess it's my No. 1. Plus I really like converting all my board games to the computer)
2. HPS/Talonsoft Civil War Battles
3. Great Battles of Alex, Hannibal, Caesar
4. Tin Soliders: Alexander and Caesar
5. TOAW (III)
6. Flight Commander II (still the best tactical modern air combat game yet)
7. Russo/German, Anglo/German War
8. Tanks! Wargame Construction Set II (Still a very fun and playable game)
9. Rifles: Wargame Construction Set III
10. SPWAW

There. That wasn't so hard after all.

These list here, that everyone has provided gives the other players a "recommend-check game out list".[:D]

ravinhood u don't have a clue what ur talking about.  Ppl w/ a template get 0wN3d there's always a counter.  Just b/c some kid rushed u and beat you doesn't mean he's any good at RTS - I'd tear him a new butthole if he tried that shit on me.  And just b/c you blow at RTS doesn't mean they're clickfests.  [8D]

RISK
 
Got me started!![:)]
 

ORIGINAL: BlackSunshine

No one mentioned Panzer General? [X(][X(]

That's the one that started it for me.

Number 8 on my top 10 was Panzer General. It got it all started. And to those that are doing the whole RTS are great vs no they aren't, this thread is for top 10 lists. Just because I believe RTS are clickfests (I only tried Age of Empires and C&C a few times) remember it is an opinion. True wargamers, IMO, are the ones that can pause between moves to come up with tactics/strategy/supply/etc.

1.  Steel Panthers 
2.  EF2  /  WF
3.  UV /  WITP
4.  PG / PG 2
5.  CM Series

ORIGINAL: Titanwarrior89

These list here, that everyone has provided gives the other players a "recommend-check game out list".[:D]

A good point, but I'm not really recommending the games on my list. I like them. Someone else might not. It's a matter of personal taste. Although, when a game appears on many lists, I take that as a good recommendation.

I would name Task Force 1942. Nothing quite like it.

Pat

I have never played that one. Is it on North Africa?

No, it is on Gaudalcanal and the Solomon Islands as per your signature.[:D] Made by Microprose- a surface action simulation.[;)]

Pat

Hmm.
 
1)CC3
2)Great War in the East (SSG)
3)Carriers at war 1 and 2
4)Conquest of the Aegean
5)Panzer general 2
 
Plenty more, and probably needs a reshuffle, but this lists 5 of the Wargames I have played the most. Surely that means they are the best to me, no?

Ok. Either I never heard of it or I forgot about it. Sounds like it was interesting.[:)]

ORIGINAL: patrickl

No, it is on Gaudalcanal and the Solomon Islands as per your signature.[:D] Made by Microprose- a surface action simulation.[;)]

Pat

Computer:
 
Harpoon
Talonsoft Napoleonic "Battleground" series
Medieval Total War (I and II)
War in the Pacific
 
Board Games:
Midway (AH)
Empires in Arms (AH)
Wooden Ships and Iron Men (AH)
1776 (AH)
USN  (SPI) 
Diplomacy (AH)
 

ORIGINAL: hawker

Operation Flashpoint also deserve to be on list[;)]

That game rocks.

And!

http://www.flashpoint1982.co.uk/

droool, I've been waiting for that mod for /years/.

ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

Steel Panthers
SPWAW
MegaMek
MekWars
Classic BattleTech
Battle Isle 3
Total Annihilation

Addition:
Supreme Commander

Hmm... I'm not good at wargames, but here is my list, in no particular order

1. Dominions 3
2. Europa Universalis 2/3 (and HOI 2)
3. Medieval Total War 1/2
4. Galactic Civilizations 1/2 (with new expansion pack)
5. UFO: Afterlight and Aftershock (Squad based lite!)/X-com series
6. Conquest of the Aegean
7. Silent Hunter III
8. Warhammer 40K: Dawn of War series (yes, I know it is RTS)
9. Warlords series (including Battlecry)
10. Age of Magic/Master of Magic

As far as board games go, there really are only 4 major wargames for me:
1. Twilight Imperium
2. Diplomacy (6 hours to lose/win by backstabbing your friends)
3. Risk
4. Cults Across America (Lovecraftian Risk-clone)

Computer:
X com series
Master of Orion 1 + 2
Civilisation 1+2+3
Harpoon
Panzer General
The Grandest Fleet
Carrier Strike
Theatre of Europe
red Lightning
No greater glory
Flight Commander 2
{ better have a matrix.... GGwaw}
And a favourite from the earliest days .. Alien
Spwaw
Secret weapons of the Luftwaffe {great great campaign mode..}
And i really liked original railroads , not a wargame but a great game.

Board:
{Should be or are being converted}

WIF
Raid on St Nazaire
Battle of Britain
Sniper / Ambush /Battle Hymn / Patrol / Bug Hunter Spi
Battle of Midway {gdw}
Civil war {VG}
Vietnam 1965-1975 {vg}
Federation and empire {FASA}
Hornet Leader
Defence of Rorkes Drift
Junta {weg}
Alesia {AH}
Paths of glory {gmt}
Gladiator {AH}