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Looks fine... what is the date of the start of scenario ?.... given the position displayed on the map I would say between Dec 41 and Feb 42...

By the way in this period Malta was effectivelly neutralized as an offensive base... the WITP engine is generating too efficient port attacks, while IRL Malta port was always active despite periods of Axis air superiority, but that is another problem. Malta is also supposed to have huge AA defences.

Hi Laurent,
 
It's January 1st 1942.
 
I agree Malta was not that offensive a this stage but I feel she will be overwhlemed by daily 100+ bomber raids arttriting all on the island. We'll see though[:)]

So, how long before we see the first turn?

It's in von Pauk's hands....Speedo Montgomery awaits............
 
My secret weapons are en route - submarine's oh yeah and other cool stuff[;)]

Very cool, Speedy.  Did you finish the threadwar turn yet?

Oh yeah, you're not saying Montgomery wore speedos, are you? [:(]

No Mike. It will have to wait until tomorrow i'm afraid. Niceguy and I are still to enter orders. It will be done my end (depending on Niceguy's actions) after gym tomorrow night.

Ok.  I'll have time to catch up on my other games. [:)]

ORIGINAL: pauk

ggaliana - take a look in scenario/editor desingn....


Yes Fish, no 4E and finally we have a plenty of strategic bombers - although Italian ones[:'(]

It would be interesting to see how this game can be played based on WiTP experience without any intel on enemy strength (didn't wanted to open Allied turn).....

OH NO [X(]

bf-109s Here comes all the axis fan boys. [:D]

I'm waiting to see the differences between Rommel and Monty as leaders. [:D][:D]

I'm interested in how well the manuevering of the land war in North Africa is handled.  The WitP model doesn't seem to have any way to shift supplies forward via land transport.  
     Been a long time since I studied the situation in NA at all but it seems to me that the Brits were still pushing forward after 'Crusader' on 1/1/42 and Rommel was in no shape whatever to hold them back at that point.  The garrisons (which I don't know the strength of) at Barce/Benghazi are troublesome to my mind if they are able to hold, though I sorta think I recall some of the "Frontier Garrisons" were in fact still (barely) holding out for the first few days of January near Bardia/Halfaya Pass. 

I wonder where you can download this modification from......

But other than that, looking forward to the AAR! How far does the map stretch? Can you invade both Italy and Greece too is it pretty much reserved to N.Africa and Crete?

I just had a curious thought - since the italians/germans are 'japanese' it means they will never surrender? [X(]
 
I hope some Matrix people will read the AAR, I'm sure they'd find plenty of interesting ideas for a WITP II.

ORIGINAL: qgaliana

I just had a curious thought - since the italians/germans are 'japanese' it means they will never surrender? [X(]

Italian troops that don't surrender but will fight to the death - me thinks some aspects of this game won't follow the historical precedent. Will follow this avidly to see how things turn out.

I just had a curious thought - since the italians/germans are 'japanese' it means they will never surrender?

Italian troops that don't surrender but will fight to the death - me thinks some aspects of this game won't follow the historical precedent. Will follow this avidly to see how things turn out.

Gentlemen, I beg your pardon? Should I understand that it's normal for German troops not to surrender while it's natural for the Italians maybe? [:-]
What's this awful propaganda again, can't anyone drop the classical propaganda shit out of one's head...
Some Italians know how to let themselves fight to death too, to talk about a "historical precedent", ask Rommel about who covered the AK's retreat to Tunisia...
Italian soldiers under good command, control and leadership, equalled any soldier on the field, and that would be cool for people, 60 years after the events by now, to aknowledge this fact beyond a simple redigest of British (needed) war propaganda [8|]

And no, Im not Italian.

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

I just had a curious thought - since the italians/germans are 'japanese' it means they will never surrender?

Italian troops that don't surrender but will fight to the death - me thinks some aspects of this game won't follow the historical precedent. Will follow this avidly to see how things turn out.

Gentlemen, I beg your pardon? Should I understand that it's normal for German troops not to surrender while it's natural for the Italians maybe? [:-]
What's this awful propaganda again, can't anyone drop the classical propaganda shit out of one's head...
Some Italians know how to let themselves fight to death too, to talk about a "historical precedent", ask Rommel about who covered the AK's retreat to Tunisia...
Italian soldiers under good command, control and leadership, equalled any soldier on the field, and that would be cool for people, 60 years after the events by now, to aknowledge this fact beyond a simple redigest of British (needed) war propaganda [8|]

And no, Im not Italian.

Yep, just look at the Battle of Keren.

ORIGINAL: Tallyho!

ORIGINAL: qgaliana

I just had a curious thought - since the italians/germans are 'japanese' it means they will never surrender? [X(]

Italian troops that don't surrender but will fight to the death - me thinks some aspects of this game won't follow the historical precedent. Will follow this avidly to see how things turn out.

i'm looking forward to the Italians executing a BANZAI charge when surrounded... [:'(]

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

Gentlemen, I beg your pardon? Should I understand that it's normal for German troops not to surrender while it's natural for the Italians maybe? [:-]
What's this awful propaganda again, can't anyone drop the classical propaganda shit out of one's head...

Ease off the PC pills man [8|]... and I didn't even single out the Italians. None of the countries in this theatre made a general habit of fighting to the death. Surrenders were pretty common on both sides, especially in the desert when water ran out. We're just pointing out a hard coded WITP feature that may have an interesting effect.

I know one thing about this mod already.

No shock attacks should be allowed, unless they are paratroopers.
Or DAK will be in Alexandria in a month.[:D]

Definitely need some houserules for this mod.[;)]

ORIGINAL: niceguy2005

OH NO [X(]

bf-109s Here comes all the axis fan boys. [:D]

How very interesting . . . Italian and German fighters mounting Japanese guns! (Amusingly enough, there were Japanese fighters mounting German guns, since the Japanese had trouble producing really good aircraft ordnance.)