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Looks bloody fantastic. Can't wait to put counters over the top of it. Think I need to break out the paper version.

Christo

As Young Mr Grace would say in Are you Being Served?, "You've all done very well!" [:D]

As you can see, he wasn't too young. Also, great work on the labels Patrice.

Cheers, Neilster

These all look very very nice! I really like all the extra tags present! Kivoy Rog eh? I'll have to google that!

A few nit picks about the names of the northern rivers in Sweden. The ones used on the map (Starting from the top: Torneälven, Luleälven, Skellefteälven and down to Umeälven) are more like colloquial names. Their proper names are (from the top):

Torne Älv
Lule Älv
Skellefte Älv and
Ume Älv.

Indalsälven and further south are correct.

There are several conflicting notions about the names of these four rivers (and a few more smaller ones), but I have spoken to lots of people living in those areas of Sweden, and they all agree that the names used on the map as it is now *aren't* incorrect, but the ones I have suggested here are *more* correct.

Fantastic work! Far richer than the paper maps, interesting additions with all the place names and points of interest.

Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Also, don't know if it's intentional, but the sea zone boundary between Liverpool and Belfast doesn't run exactly port to port.

Again, these maps are awesome. On top of all the improvements made to the other world maps, especially converting Asia/Africa to Euro scale, this European map is superior. It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.

Anthony DeChristopher

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Fantastic work! Far richer than the paper maps, interesting additions with all the place names and points of interest.

Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Also, don't know if it's intentional, but the sea zone boundary between Liverpool and Belfast doesn't run exactly port to port.

Again, these maps are awesome. On top of all the improvements made to the other world maps, especially converting Asia/Africa to Euro scale, this European map is superior. It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.

Anthony DeChristopher

WIF FE maps run sea area boundaries through all sea hexes with the explanation that the player should use the center dot of the hex to determine transit distance for air units. CWIF, and now MWIF, always run sea area boundaries down the edge of a hex, the same way the country borders are done. This makes it a little clearer when calculating air distance to a sea area. Coastal hexes often have a sea area boundary bisect the hex, which inidcates the coastal hex borders on two sea areas.

From the programming point of view, the map is drawn one hex at a time, pretty much in total ignorance of all the other hexes. The rail lines are an exception, but even then, only the 6 adjacent hexes are examined.

I can't wait to get my hands on the real thing and scroll across the world. It looks fantastic (very much improved over the paper maps IMHO). Definitely a definitive 1940's map of the world in gamer terms.....

KUDOS ! [&o] [&o] [&o]

ORIGINAL: Frederyck

These all look very very nice! I really like all the extra tags present! Kivoy Rog eh? I'll have to google that!

A few nit picks about the names of the northern rivers in Sweden. The ones used on the map (Starting from the top: Torneälven, Luleälven, Skellefteälven and down to Umeälven) are more like colloquial names. Their proper names are (from the top):

Torne Älv
Lule Älv
Skellefte Älv and
Ume Älv.

Indalsälven and further south are correct.

There are several conflicting notions about the names of these four rivers (and a few more smaller ones), but I have spoken to lots of people living in those areas of Sweden, and they all agree that the names used on the map as it is now *aren't* incorrect, but the ones I have suggested here are *more* correct.

Thanks for the feedback Frederyck !

Hey, weren't these names already corrected a while ago [:D] ?
You should reach a concensus, you nordic people [:D] !
Indeed, what interst me the most, are the English Exonames for places, that is, the name on English maps. Exceptions may happens though, but the general trend is that English Exonames are used.

About the names you listed, they all have the "Älv" word in common.
Am I right supposing that thë "Älv" word means "River", or "Stream", of something like that ? If so, I'd not put this word on the map, and I'd only put Torne, Lule, Skellefte and Ume. What do you think ?

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Well, this part of the map is already cluttered enough for my taste, and Luxembourg is such a long name !

It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.
Anthony DeChristopher

Yes, I think so too.
I'm open to suggestion for additional places names that can give a better WW2 flavor to the map.

ORIGINAL: Ballista

I can't wait to get my hands on the real thing and scroll across the world. It looks fantastic (very much improved over the paper maps IMHO). Definitely a definitive 1940's map of the world in gamer terms.....

KUDOS ! [&o] [&o] [&o]

I would love if Harry printed bits of those maps for the normal WiF FE game.

Why not an European scaled China map kit for WiF FE for example ?

Torne Älv
Lule Älv
Skellefte Älv and
Ume Älv.

In fact, when I search them in wikipedia.com, I find :
Torne
Lule
Skellefte
Ume
So I've put thoss names on the map.

United Kingdom - note corrected rail lines

Yes, and they're not right. The LMS express should go directly to Glasgow, not via Edinburgh. The correction here is to change the mountain hex Newcastle 1W - it should connect to Glasgow and to the hex marked "Pennines", but not to Edinburgh. The connection to Newcastle is optional - there certainly is a line along the English side of the border, but it's pretty minor; if such lines were represented elsewhere in England, then almost every hex would connect to every other.

I'm assuming that the odd shape to the lines around Liverpool and Manchester is because of the automatic drawing being done; if anyone is creating a permanent printed copy, then all the railway lines need reworking to match their real shapes. I suspect the same is true of the rivers.

The river between Hull and Sheffield is the "Humber" if someone wants to mark it.

While I'm at water in the UK: there's no Lough Neagh (lake in Northern Ireland; probably the hexside SW Belfast), and the Great Glen (river/lake combination running from Inverness right across Scotland) is missing too. I think the Glen would be hard to get on the map - hexsides E, SE Inverness, due S, SW, W, W is as close as I can get, probably all rivers - but Lough Neagh would be easy to get on, and Northern Ireland would look right with the huge blob of water back in the middle.

ORIGINAL: po8crg

United Kingdom - note corrected rail lines

Yes, and they're not right. The LMS express should go directly to Glasgow, not via Edinburgh. The correction here is to change the mountain hex Newcastle 1W - it should connect to Glasgow and to the hex marked "Pennines", but not to Edinburgh. The connection to Newcastle is optional - there certainly is a line along the English side of the border, but it's pretty minor; if such lines were represented elsewhere in England, then almost every hex would connect to every other.

First, thanks for the feedback.
About this, well, the UK is a place where the MWiF map is nearly verbatim the WiF FE map. Only a couple of areas on the border of the map were changed (very slightly) in some remote places. I think that editing UK is out of the picture.

This said, the railways of this map may not be as bad as they seem, especially if one consider that the hexagon is 70-80 km across, and considering also that the program has the railway automaticaly converge to cities when there is a city in the hex. So, a railway may seem to go through a city when in reality if only passes 70 km from it. If you look at the attached illustration, it shows what I mean, by comparing the WiF FE map (left) the the MWiF map (right). On the left, we see that the railway indeed pretty much go directly to Glasgow without going through Edinburgh. On the right, we see that the program has the railway going through Edinburgh automaticaly.

I'm assuming that the odd shape to the lines around Liverpool and Manchester is because of the automatic drawing being done; if anyone is creating a permanent printed copy, then all the railway lines need reworking to match their real shapes. I suspect the same is true of the rivers.

The river between Hull and Sheffield is the "Humber" if someone wants to mark it.

Not much room to write anything here. Also, this is not a river hexside per see on the map.

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Well, this part of the map is already cluttered enough for my taste, and Luxembourg is such a long name !

It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.
Anthony DeChristopher

Yes, I think so too.

I'm open to suggestion for additional places names that can give a better WW2 flavor to the map.

I'm not sure it's a good idea. There was often nothing remarkable about those places except that a battle was fought there. We're not re-fighting WW2 but rather a new war every time.

Cheers, Neilster

We're not re-fighting WW2 but rather a new war every time.

Yes, but it gives some landmarks in places where there are nothing else, doesn't it ?

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: po8crg

United Kingdom - note corrected rail lines

Yes, and they're not right. The LMS express should go directly to Glasgow, not via Edinburgh. The correction here is to change the mountain hex Newcastle 1W - it should connect to Glasgow and to the hex marked "Pennines", but not to Edinburgh. The connection to Newcastle is optional - there certainly is a line along the English side of the border, but it's pretty minor; if such lines were represented elsewhere in England, then almost every hex would connect to every other.

First, thanks for the feedback.
About this, well, the UK is a place where the MWiF map is nearly verbatim the WiF FE map. Only a couple of areas on the border of the map were changed (very slightly) in some remote places. I think that editing UK is out of the picture.

This said, the railways of this map may not be as bad as they seem, especially if one consider that the hexagon is 70-80 km across, and considering also that the program has the railway automaticaly converge to cities when there is a city in the hex. So, a railway may seem to go through a city when in reality if only passes 70 km from it. If you look at the attached illustration, it shows what I mean, by comparing the WiF FE map (left) the the MWiF map (right). On the left, we see that the railway indeed pretty much go directly to Glasgow without going through Edinburgh. On the right, we see that the program has the railway going through Edinburgh automaticaly.

I'm assuming that the odd shape to the lines around Liverpool and Manchester is because of the automatic drawing being done; if anyone is creating a permanent printed copy, then all the railway lines need reworking to match their real shapes. I suspect the same is true of the rivers.

The river between Hull and Sheffield is the "Humber" if someone wants to mark it.

Not much room to write anything here. Also, this is not a river hexside per see on the map.

I've posted re UK railways fairly recently, thanks Patrice for correcting the East/west Coast Mainline! As poster states up to 1950s the UK was so heavily railed in comparison with rest of world there is almost a case to have a rail line linking every hex. (post Beeching & British Rail now we Brits stand in splendid- if overcrowded- isolation and marvel at european rail excellence...)

I think that there is a crossing arrow from Gibraltar (Jabral Tariq or mtn of Tariq in Arabic, I think) to Tangier. If so, it's hard to see with the sea space dividing line.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

Iberian Peninsula

Nice touch with El Alamein and Gazala.
Jason

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

The Eastern Mediterranean.

As an American, Kasserine Pass would be a good one. Slow learning Americans...
Jason

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Well, this part of the map is already cluttered enough for my taste, and Luxembourg is such a long name !

It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.
Anthony DeChristopher

Yes, I think so too.
I'm open to suggestion for additional places names that can give a better WW2 flavor to the map.

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
I think that there is a crossing arrow from Gibraltar (Jabral Tariq or mtn of Tariq in Arabic, I think) to Tangier. If so, it's hard to see with the sea space dividing line.

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets
Iberian Peninsula

Yes there is a straits conenction there that is being overwritten by the sea area boundary. I have them slightly offset, but I need to make it more pronounced. Thanks.

ORIGINAL: iamspamus
As an American, Kasserine Pass would be a good one. Slow learning Americans...
Jason

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Gendarme
Maybe add Luxemborg as a place name? Not as another minor, because that would upset USE and such.

Well, this part of the map is already cluttered enough for my taste, and Luxembourg is such a long name !

It will be so much more interesting to stage a battle over "Anzio" or "El Alamein" than "hex E1234" or whatever.
Anthony DeChristopher

Yes, I think so too.
I'm open to suggestion for additional places names that can give a better WW2 flavor to the map.

See post #14 in this thread.