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ORIGINAL: el cid again

P-64: Total production 13 machines. Never used PTO. Never used in combat period - just an advanced trainer. Made for Peru but commandeered when WWII began. Note quite what we are looking for.

Hey, I'm digging DEEP for stuff never before seen or used.[8D]

ORIGINAL: jcjordan

Is Curtis Seahawk & Seamew in there? Gives Allies something other than Kingfisher & SOC.

It is hard to see any benefit (other than chrome)? The FUNCTION is already well done. These planes are in effect present - simulated by the planes we have. And slots are very few and valuable. Although I may have just created one more for the Axis - and there is one left for the Allies (and two bitmaps for the Allies). There are countless float type observation plane types - with very little difference between them - particularly if you are not on the Japanese side (which fielded more types than anyone else - or even more types than everyone else combined).

IF we have one more Axis slot - perhaps we should bring over another of those Axis Allied planes into the proper Axis slots - and thus create an additional Allied slot at the same time. Here I am thinking of the O3U - which we also could add for some Allied service.

How about the Chinese Northrop 2e Dive bomber. They had 150 of them at one point under Chennault. (You can see them in the thread called Chinese aircraft).
The Chinese Vultee V 11 might be another one??
Here is the Northrop:

Here is the Vultee:

ORIGINAL: showboat1

How about the float fighter Wildcat? It's exotic and hasn't been used before and would give the Allies something they haven't had before, a float fighter.

North American P-64? IT's junk but could be an early war fill-in fighter.

BTM-1 - AM-1 Mauler? It didn't actually get into service until Dec. 1946, but what the heck?

Grumman JF Duck?  I loved this plane! Yeah, it's a sitting duck, pardon the pun, when fighters are around, but I would love to take a ride in one.

I guess the big question is what kind of type would we want to put in, fighter, bomber, attack, recon/search.  Any kind of consensus.

There were onlyapprox 6 float-Wildcats built, IIRC. Not meaning to rain on anybodies parade, just visualizing how often those planes might be used?

Another possible olane used in large numbers might be the Australian Airspeed Oxford which would give Australia an early was transport plane.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... oxford.htm

According to this page, the Aussies already had 391 when the war started.

(Note, THEY list it as a transport, not a trainer, and the narrative is that of another site))

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... t-raaf.htm

The Anson has been given an offensive load: two small DC and two small bombs. [Exactly what the load was isn't clear: it is variously recorded as nothing, 360 pounds and 481 pounds. Apparently many units did not carry such weapons - but four RAAF squadrons - all missing from all forms of WITP - did: 66, 67, 71 and 73 Squadrons] We will disarm some units using the unique RHS multiple loadout scheme - but units upgrading to this aircraft will have the weapons.

By adding the O3U and Axis Hawk to the Japanese plane sets we have now made units with these planes fully functional: they can recieve replacements and won't report improperly on the wrong side. [Regretfully this only applies to EOS]. And by transferring both we gain three slots - one of which we used for the ROC P-40B. We still have two open Allied slots at this time - because we killed two different forms of Axis Hawks as well as the O3U. Horse trading slots did not gain or lose any - so this was the only net change for EOS. In all scenarios we were able to add the P-51A because we gave up the P-40C.

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: showboat1

How about the float fighter Wildcat? It's exotic and hasn't been used before and would give the Allies something they haven't had before, a float fighter.

There were onlyapprox 6 float-Wildcats built, IIRC. Not meaning to rain on anybodies parade, just visualizing how often those planes might be used?

It would be hard to know how many to put in? There is no historical foundation for reasoning - nor can we know if they would be useful in any particular game? I would make them have a cost - you lose a Wildcat for each one. Still interested?

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Another possible olane used in large numbers might be the Australian Airspeed Oxford which would give Australia an early was transport plane.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... oxford.htm

According to this page, the Aussies already had 391 when the war started.

(Note, THEY list it as a transport, not a trainer, and the narrative is that of another site))

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... t-raaf.htm

A number of Aussie small transports are in the game. Several USAAF air transport units formed up from pressed civil aircraft forward IN Aus - and these are all in the game - eventually upgrading to medium transport units. I think there are also some Aussie transport squadrons. Slot 195 represents all light twin engine air transports - and it names the C-32, C-36, C-39, C-40 and BT-1.

ORIGINAL: el cid again

ORIGINAL: m10bob

Another possible olane used in large numbers might be the Australian Airspeed Oxford which would give Australia an early was transport plane.

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... oxford.htm

According to this page, the Aussies already had 391 when the war started.

(Note, THEY list it as a transport, not a trainer, and the narrative is that of another site))

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-air ... t-raaf.htm

A number of Aussie small transports are in the game. Several USAAF air transport units formed up from pressed civil aircraft forward IN Aus - and these are all in the game - eventually upgrading to medium transport units. I think there are also some Aussie transport squadrons. Slot 195 represents all light twin engine air transports - and it names the C-32, C-36, C-39, C-40 and BT-1.

You are right, besides,that one slot you used (representing the c 32, c 36, c 39, etc, might also be considered pretty much any of the smaller transport types)..

ORIGINAL: el cid again

By adding the O3U and Axis Hawk to the Japanese plane sets we have now made units with these planes fully functional: they can recieve replacements and won't report improperly on the wrong side. [Regretfully this only applies to EOS]. And by transferring both we gain three slots - one of which we used for the ROC P-40B. We still have two open Allied slots at this time - because we killed two different forms of Axis Hawks as well as the O3U. Horse trading slots did not gain or lose any - so this was the only net change for EOS. In all scenarios we were able to add the P-51A because we gave up the P-40C.

I believe you meant P 47 C

ORIGINAL: m10bob

How about the Chinese Northrop 2e Dive bomber. They had 150 of them at one point under Chennault. (You can see them in the thread called Chinese aircraft).
The Chinese Vultee V 11 might be another one??
Here is the Northrop:

The Northrup dive bomber was the design ancestor of both the SBD and the Kate.

Bob: Many of these Chinese planes are not in the game - and we lack the slots to add squadrons. Many also were phased out of operations by the end of 1941. It is debatable, for example, if ANY B-10s should be represented?
We do have a few Chinese types not in ROC colors - including one squadron of Hudsons, two flights of B-10s, and some P-66s. These latter might be a good choice - because it is more than one unit. We also have two flights of Boeing 314s that need both art and specs - and are represented at the moment by unarmed Coronado's.

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: el cid again

By adding the O3U and Axis Hawk to the Japanese plane sets we have now made units with these planes fully functional: they can recieve replacements and won't report improperly on the wrong side. [Regretfully this only applies to EOS]. And by transferring both we gain three slots - one of which we used for the ROC P-40B. We still have two open Allied slots at this time - because we killed two different forms of Axis Hawks as well as the O3U. Horse trading slots did not gain or lose any - so this was the only net change for EOS. In all scenarios we were able to add the P-51A because we gave up the P-40C.

I believe you meant P 47 C

yes I did

ORIGINAL: herwin

ORIGINAL: m10bob

How about the Chinese Northrop 2e Dive bomber. They had 150 of them at one point under Chennault. (You can see them in the thread called Chinese aircraft).
The Chinese Vultee V 11 might be another one??
Here is the Northrop:

The Northrup dive bomber was the design ancestor of both the SBD and the Kate.

How do you figure the Kate? It has its own native liniage.

We are going to do a true FAA version of the FM-2 Wildcat -

because there are no less than eleven FAA squadrons flying this machine in US colors

and because in British hands it has different armament.

The Potez 63.11 is converted to a dual national aircraft. Remaining in VFAF colors, it loses its VFAF prefix - so it won't seem so out of place in ROCAF.

Sounds good.

While there was an Avenger in FAA colors - and it was used - for some reason many FAA units were assigned the one in USN colors. This will be corrected - but it is just a data set change - the right art (and performance and armament) being pionted at now.