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RE: Pan Am and China

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:53 pm
by el cid again
ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: el cid again

Most of the ATC work is involved in making "free supplies" appear at map edge points. Also units appear at those points. Even more came by sea - but a significant part came by air. Another part of ATC work is abstractly in the game - when relief aircraft or pilots "instantly" teleport into your forward units. IF we put these units in separately we would essentially duplicate these things designed into the system.

Yeah, of course the game already represents supply coming in abstracly at the edges.
It looks like the "unit" I am seeking amounts to 10 planes, to provide transport,based at Calcutta from the very beginning.
The planes were used historically thruout India, down to Rangoon, and serviced the AVG as well.
Presently, there is no transport (by air) from the beginning.
Besides, if they get shot down thru misuse, it is extra points for the Japanese.
Again, not seaplanes, but the localized DC 2's and DC 3's, as represented, and in the roles provided in the above narratives.
You have a huge agenda, and I appreciate your consideration.

I have added a great deal of air transport capability - in quantity for the Allies (I just added USN air transports which seem to have always been missing from all forms of WITP - although the Marines had them) - and in quality for both sides by the addition of heavy lifters (four engine transports and tug-glider "combinations" with two gliders per tow).
I do not know what you mean by "there is no transport (by air) from the beginning." Even if you meant that to be limited to India per se - you have the Empire Flying Boat detachment: BOAC C Class Flight at Bombay. And the area had been denuded of aircraft - India was flying coastal patrols in light planes - and one of these units is actually present (at Dheli) because it is large enough to matter (over a short distance). Anyway - air transports start heading this way soon enough - and ultimately become overwhelming. Also - you can transfer in air transports from other places if you wish.
There is yet another C Class flight at Melbourne also in BOAC colors.


IF you think that a Pan Am squadron is appropriate - at 10 planes it would be tolerable. What would you call it? What colors would it fly under? [A big problem with Chinese planes is we have no air transports in that national scheme]

We DO have (RHS only) a Chinese aircraft factory (from Canton) in INDIA! And it is fitted to produce the Hawks really made there. I forget its name - but today it is Hindustan Aircraft Ltd.

RE: Pan Am and China

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:25 pm
by el cid again
A ten plane unit - early in the war when there are no RAF or other air transport assets in the area (other than six BOAC Empire Flying Boats) - sounds like chrome to me.

I have added a CNAC/PanAm Squadron at the location Asanol - where it really flew from - and put ground support in the Supply Sink at that location (so it won't move). Note you cannot fly the hump to China IF you believe the printed range displayed on the unit - but you CAN fly to NW China if you understand the real range is half the 37 hex transfer range (that is, 18 hexes). This won't quite reach Chunking. I used USAAF colors. We could use RAF colors.

RE: Pan Am and China

Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:27 pm
by m10bob
ORIGINAL: el cid again

A ten plane unit - early in the war when there are no RAF or other air transport assets in the area (other than six BOAC Empire Flying Boats) - sounds like chrome to me.

I have added a CNAC/PanAm Squadron at the location Asanol - where it really flew from - and put ground support in the Supply Sink at that location (so it won't move). Note you cannot fly the hump to China IF you believe the printed range displayed on the unit - but you CAN fly to NW China if you understand the real range is half the 37 hex transfer range (that is, 18 hexes). This won't quite reach Chunking. I used USAAF colors. We could use RAF colors.


Excellent!!! I don't think it matters a lot what colors, since it had an international pilot/groundcrew base..Thank you!

RE: Pan Am and China

Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:35 am
by el cid again
I think we should change the colors to British. A civil air unit operating in India would likely be better off using British markings anyway.

RE: Pan Am and China

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:08 pm
by wwengr
ORIGINAL: m10bob

Pan Am...U.S. 10th A.F. and the ATC

Within this very interesting read, can be found the following:"Almost 90% of ATC's flying in 1942 was military contract flying by the airlines."

This narrative is great info, whether I get "my" Pan Am unit, or not.[;)]

ATC

While military airlift ...

Fascinating post! The concept still ives today with the Civil Reserve Air Fleet (CRAF). I was transported to and from King Fahd Airbase by TWA in 1990 and 1991. There is additional information at this link:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... t/craf.htm

For FY 2007, the Fedex CRAF contract was estimated at over $1 Billion.