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Talon, perhaps an easy way to replace the icon (with something suitable) would be in order, then if anyone found it offensive, or as in your case illegal, there wouldn't be a problem. I do see your point. My point was a statement against censorship, not my own personal preferance or belives (I'm not into symbology). Didn't mean to push any buttons in your neck of the woods.

I wanted only to mention with my post that these flags are a problem with the law here in Germany !! I don´t have any problem that you and maybe many others like the use of the real flags U-235 . I had the flag think in my mind since german wargamesites said they couldn´t review the game and then came to the conclusion that the the game wasn´t got because they only saw new flags . Thats when I became upset because this is a great game and sofar the best I´ve played this year at last and the flags are the least important in this great game . So you see I had nothing against you but wanted only to show that there are negativ effects for the game because of these here in Germany . I personally can live with the new ones . I hope you put in the new flags for Germany because I think this will improve the reactions on the game here .

Originally posted by talon:
I hope you put in the new flags for Germany because I think this will improve the reactions on the game here .

I understand the problem you have with the old flag in Germany, but I think that using the new flag should be an OPTION ONLY. I like historical flags better, not that I support the ideas they represent. If we start to take out historical flags, where will it end? The old Soviet flag could be seen as offensive too!

Belaja smert

Well, I absolutely loathe censorship and if it were up to me such Nanny laws could take a flying jump- they can't stop an internet distribution and as for not being able to be discussed on German based forums, well that will be a good trick. Fat chance. Has any subject ever been stopped on the Net(rhetorical question)? Reviews? Scarcely vital, albeit useful.
It will stick in my craw if it's done, but it's not up to me. If it is done, the use of the Iron Cross decoration on a white background should suffice.

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Recon

I suggest Matrix releases a different version for germans to download without the symbols. I get very depressed even thinking of german censorship laws and do not want to be reminded of it when playing SPWAW.

If there's going to be different language .exe files for SPW@W v2 then the German version could include an icon file with the iron cross type flag instead of the swastika. All the other versions could keep the swastika or have the option of using either.

Then everyone's happy.

Gentlemen,

Again, let this rest. I am trying to get some definitive answers about the patch and if this matter is addressed.

I'll give you the "skinny" (info) as soon as I have it.

I understand all the concern. I share it with you. We are trying to get an official statement on what will or will not be done. Stand by, please...Thanks!

WB

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In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

The Word!

Okay, directly by phone from David Heath, head of Matrix.

1. All the swastikas from any of the web pages of Matrix have been removed.

2. A patch will be included in the upcoming Version 2.0 called Iron Cross Icon Patch. With this little program you will have the option of removing all swastikas from the SPWAW game and replacing them with Iron Crosses.

This solution does not force the issue upon anyone. You will have a choice. If you prefer the swastikas removed, you can do so with the patch.

If you choose to leave them, you can.

This way no one is depriving you of your ability to choose. I think it is a nice option.

Wild Bill

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In Arduis Fidelis
Wild Bill Wilder
Coordinator, Scenario Design
Matrix Games

Re: Flags If a U of South Africa OOB is done, please use the old flag, the Vierkleur, rather than the new Post-1994 flag. The new flag is prettier, but the old one is more historically accurate. There is no law anywhere against displaying it as there is about the swastika. BTW, what do they do about pre 1930's versions of Kipling's books and Tibetan and Hindu items that contain the swastika?

Also, I understand that the Yugoslav and Romanian flags are the communist ones. Could that be changed?

Sorry if this is OT for this thread.

troopie

WB, great solution I think.

Talon, I didn't take your post the wrong way, I just wanted to be sure you didn't take mine wrong. That's the bad thing about the written word (vice spoken), especialy since many different cultures are represented here in this forum. But that's one of the reasons I enjoy coming here, and I value everyones opinion. Good gaming!