Matrix Games Forums

ORIGINAL: MrQuiet

The ss I was trying to get when mouse died showed the insane allied steals in tec.
The ones against Germany I can understand he did invest heavily in Spies, but I do feel Japan should start with Higher security for 2 reasons.
1) They cant afford to spend precious supply on security.
2) I think the US would have a very difficult time getting someone on the 'inside' of Impeiral Japan

Just my 2 cents

I don't think spies did play so much of a role during WW2 at stealing technologies. Jets were developped by each side on their own but maybe Japan getting Me-262 plans via UBoats. Radar tech was not stolen by Germany from British source but developped on their own as well. Not speaking about Tank technology that Germany developped from seeing Russian T-34 and Kv-1 in action and having plenty of captured one to develop the Panther while the Tiger was more a German typical idea. Same as the Panzerfaust/Panzerschreck developed from the Bazooka after first contacts in North Africa and not stolen from US research facilities. The whole concept of calling this spying is historically wrong. So I decided to look at this more as research/production effort against specific countries to fill a gap in technology by information received from battlefield contact/captured material/reports/... or whatever.

The huge capacity of the US to invest in research because not most of the population in age of fighting was on the frontline can be well represented by this "spying" concept. Not to forget that at the end of the War the US were not that far behind in technology compare to Germany and even in advance in some areas. Germany had an impressive list of wonder weapons from jets to rockets to electric UBoat but they did so much research because loosing the war and trying to find ways to change that while at the beginning of the War they didn't do much research at all. Not to forget the Stuka was still the main TAC bomber till 1942 and even after, tanks in 1941 were far inferior than Russian model and only because the US went for quantity compare to quality that the Sherman was never replaced but slowly at the end of the war. Would the Allies have seen a need to invest in technology they could have done so as well but by 1944 they were winning so the need was not so great anymore.

Not speaking of Japan whose technology was a lot behind to anyone but maybe in planes quality by the end of the war.

Even against France in 1940 Germany technological advance was not further than the French or the British. German tanks were for most but a few Panzer IV no match against the British Matilda or the French B1-Bis or Somua. The Me-109 was a bit better than the British Hurricane and most of the French model but the Dewoitine 520. What did changed it all was tactics with German Tanks spearheads while France was still using tanks to support infantry like in 14-18. German Luftwaffe was in close support to the ground troops while French air force was not.

This is the historical results of the air campaing against France, you can't consider the German losses very light but they were able to replace most of it because of the pilot training program. "The Luftwaffe virtually destroyed the Armée de l'Air during the campaign and inflicted heavy losses to the RAF contingent that was deployed. It is estimated the French lost 1,274 aircraft destroyed during the campaign, the British suffered losses of 959 (477 fighters). The battle for France had cost the Luftwaffe 28% of its front line strength, some 1,428 aircraft destroyed. A further 488 were damaged, making a total of 36% of the Luftwaffe strength negatively effected"

Not to mention the human side problem as you might produce jets but you still need trained pilots which were very scarce supply in 1944/1945 for Germany and Japan.

Only slowly picking up this new Blitzkrieg concept that the Russian armies and the Allied did manage to gain advantage then of course quantity of material and man did the rest.

Spring of '42 - another quiet turn, but I don't expect that to last much longer. A soviet sortie into the Baltic states is the main action. A few casualties on each side, but the Germans stay put.

Germany Summer42

Ouch!
You can see from Forwarns screenshot where my Infantry unit suffered another dam Auto hit, this time from his armor unit so its a autohit with major results, ie destroyed infantry. One of these days they will work for me not against me.

But not this turn, I had a fighter unit destroyed because of auto hit. I sent in 6 fighter vs his 3 and he got the auto hits.

Ok, the only real news from the Germans is the aquisition of Greece.
I used a lot of Mil and arty and HFs hoping to get my milita to upgrade, but the exp bonus Gods were not smiling. [:(]

Some Russian factorys were bombed from above with ok results.
Huge pile of troops building up on East Front in the Belorussia area. 35-40 units on each side.
Subs went out and hit transports driving up US WR which will get them to 3x that much faster.[:(]

I have saved the game at this point, need to take a break (glad I dont have to work today) before the Japs make there fatel decision to take on the sleeping Giant this season.

Next post will show the insane Allied spy issue that my 25 German (was 26, seem to lose one every turn) security can not overcome, and Japan surely can not compete in.

Next SS will be from what I hope will be an overwhelming Jappanese attack on the Free World

Japan Summer42

The Japanese Government plans and executes a darring and expesive surprise declaration of war against the countrys of the free world.

6 Imperial Carriers float there way over to Los Angeles and Launch a major offensive against any allied ships anchored in port. Out of six CAGs I expected to lose 3 and hoped my elite unit would survive.

Alas I should realize I can not overcome autohits [:(]
I lost 3 to airpower as expected but another managed to fly right into the guns of a Heavy Fleet which rolled 51 with the doubled auto hit factored in. Bombard evasion of 1 was the icing on the flak cake.
Elite unit also did not survive sadly, and is being repaired in Tokyo as we speak. Hopefully it returns as a vet.

The DEI was also attacked heavily but the lone mil stationed in the Philopeens rolled incredible dice even though it was surpressed by a tac air a HF and a LF. My infantry was damaged and aborted the mission although they did manage to destroy the mil. With no more available landing craft, the Philopeens will have to wait until next season.

I believe 12 allied transports were damaged or destroyed in the Pacific.
There are a lot of long years ahead in this war, can Japan hang in there???

First a quick follow-up to MrQ's attack on the fleet at San Diego. I thought he did quite well and would not have been disappointed had I been the attacker. As you can see from MrQ's screenshot, the ports are protected by 2 AA and allied losses weren't expected to be too much more than for Japan. None of the AA resulted in a dreaded "1" bombard evasion for the defending CAG. And even with suppression/damage from airfire and flak, the Japanese still inflicted a heavy blow against the fleet.

As for the Allied turn, it is amazingly quiet. The Soviets and the West are generally content to harass the Axis from the skies while reinforcing the variuos fronts. Here, the Red Airforce engages the Luftwaffe.

ORIGINAL: MrQuiet

Next post will show the insane Allied spy issue that my 25 German (was 26, seem to lose one every turn) security can not overcome, and Japan surely can not compete in.

Spying seems to be prone to overuse/misuse doesn't it?

As you can see from MrQ's screenshot, the ports are protected by 2 AA and allied losses weren't expected to be too much more than for Japan.

I just want to point out that those expected losses in the screenshot was for a general attack not for a 'port' attack.
I could not get a screenshot with any combatants in it when I held the cursor over port attack. I dont remember what the expected defender losses were but I was Just hoping to kill the carriers. Any more was bonus and I really didnt want to lose that many cags, (was hoping the whole game you would not build fighters in SW USA)

So I was not dissapointed with the attack, just a little sad with the cost (4cags = 8pps) which is 50% of Japans current production.

Axis Fall42

Mostly just shifiting of forces here and there for Germany.
Japan has landed on Autstrailia just to say we can.
Unsure if they will persue further inland since the capitlal is prettly well defended and supplied.

Cristian Brown has been curious about sub warfare so I post the following screen shot of my veteren subs out on a HF hunting mission

The Soviets reinforce, and the stalemate on the Eastern Front continues! WA spies steal information about Axis production - so a good time for some current forces information! Note the relative strength of the major powers! The product of a lot of building and less fighting the last few turns. I expect that to change in '43!

The US is concerned that MrQ was busy hammering the fleet trapped at Pearl harbor. But without sufficient carrier strength, the US must sit and wait. However, the Axis move against the Middle East requires a response. A combined attack from Transjordan with landings on the coast forces the Germans back out of Iraq. Egypt is subsequently reinforced to meet Rommel's army - consisting of panzers, infantry, and a fair amount of artillery sitting just to the west of Cairo!

Axis WI43

A couple German sub fleets try to run the gauntlet through a 2 cag sub screen. (asw 2)
Of the 4 attacks via opfire my subs roll bombard evasion 1 each and everytime. oh joy, 2 subs damaged one cag upgraded in exp.

I am happy to note that on the Allies previous turn my Spanish Flack had there glasses on and there aim was true enough to damage 2 HBs. Of course the HB with 26 suppression points only had 3 apply to the bombing run and thus damaged the factory anyway. But at least we took there numbers down a bit.

Japan continues to play around and decided to do a cag flying show in Seattle Washington.
The allies are gracious enough to supply floating targets in the harbor.

It appears that the Allies are going for 'the bomb' (at 6) and subs (6built) to kill a couple transports and watch Japan surrender fairly easily. I Will have to come up with a counter.

Winter passes with only minor skirmishes from the Allied side. A heavy bomber offensive against Germany's economy is picking up a little steam after the poor performance last turn.

Spring of '43! The Allies begin daylight bombing raids over the Reich itself. However, the cost is heavy to all sides!

Current Production numbers.
There are more Rus Artillary Units on the map then actual Infantry Units.
Enourmous amount of Allied Fighter support from both fronts.
Once WA hits production x5 it will be just a matter of time.
A-bomb is at 7 in 43, that cant be good.

The standoff in the Soviet Union continues. I don't think there have been any major battles in more than a year! Montgomery attempts to push through the Turkish front, however. The resulting attritional battle is OK for the West, but the line holds. At this rate, we'll reach Berlin by about 1950! [;)]

Axis Fall43

Only Fall43 and the Allies completely outnumber my forces, especially in Artillary.
Not much I can do with pop limits.
The Bomb is at 7.5 wont be long.
Germans abandon Turkey, no way to compete in Attrition game there.
East front is reinforced slightly, about 50 axis units holding the line against 71 Russian units. 26 of which I believe are Artillary and 10-15 air units. Russian and WA fighters have range3 which means they can chose just about any objective they wish, cant defend everything.

There was a bit of a scuffle in the Indian ocean.
Since the WA have decided on a Germany first strat, the Japs have had a fairly easy time.
A couple of carriers were sent in to knock out a WA carrier stationed in the Arabian Sea.
I finaly had a bit of luck and a WA fighter group on Cap over the Carrier failed to hit my CAG/s

MrQuiet is keeping me from getting too comfortable, and the clock is ticking. Fall of '43 sees an epic battle in Russia, one of the largest battles I have seen of any game. As expected, losses are fairly even on both sides and the Soviets are repulsed - for now..... Hopefully, some real progress will be made in '44.

Axis Springtime44

Germany did very little but dig in and try to hold the hordes of Artillary from our loving peacefull precious Cititzens.

Japan continues to play like a 'big boy' getting aggressive again in the Indian Ocean. (see screenshot)
Closer to the homeland we are 'hunting American Subs' with mixed results.
Forwarn has built 6 subs with evasion 4 and by my calculations he is 2 turns from A bomb.
To me that smells a lot like a easy Japan Surrender.

We are hopefully working on the counter.