Findings of the Strategic bombing experiment

[Andy Mac]

Its roughtly 0.333 per fort level + 1 so lvl 3 is x 2, lvl 6 is x 3 lvl 9 is x 4
 
Its why forts in rough terrain are so nasty but we decided not to change this aspect of land combat because of the changes we are making re stacking limits and difficulty in building forts.
 
We need to make small changes rather than global ones

[Hortlund]

ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Its roughtly 0.333 per fort level + 1 so lvl 3 is x 2, lvl 6 is x 3 lvl 9 is x 4

Its why forts in rough terrain are so nasty but we decided not to change this aspect of land combat because of the changes we are making re stacking limits and difficulty in building forts.

We need to make small changes rather than global ones

I dont have an issue with the forts. I have an issue with units out of supply for months being able to fight at x0.25. That is just plain wrong.

[Andy Mac]

Sorry out of scope and would have a massive balance effect i.e. places like Bataan etc you would end up tweaking something else to make it work and on an on and on
 
The end result of a small change like that would probably be the string that requires a re write of the combat model and that we are not doing
 
Andy

[Feinder]

Its roughtly 0.333 per fort level + 1 so lvl 3 is x 2, lvl 6 is x 3 lvl 9 is x 4

Hey Andy,

Just a small tweak - I thought Lvl(9) forts was x3...?

-F-

8.4 of manual

In addition, fortications can multiply the defending force's assault value for odds by up to three.

[VSWG]

Ahhh, memories... [;)]

ORIGINAL: Chimaera

ORIGINAL: Gary Childress
I had a similar situation with VSWG. I pounded Manila for a month or two with daily artillery attacks. Finally I tried a deliberate assault IIRC (I don't think it was a shock attack) his defenders decimated my attackers, leaving me with almost no functioning rifle squads. Next turn he launched an all out offensive and ended up retaking the entire Philippines. I was a little shocked that his troops were able to do that after a month of daily pounding. I guess my troops just launched a "banzai" charge and simply walked into the Allied machine guns or something. I lost almost an entire division worth of squads in a single day. [&:]

Scary, especially since I am in a similar situation [;)]

Do you remember the approximate assault values of both sides when you launched the attack? I assume you outnumbered and outgunned your opponent there.

No, he didn't. At Manila, only 2 Divs and a Bde faced the entire (and completely intact) US army on Luzon, still sitting on top of 20,000+ supplies. Gary, you had deliberately attacked several times before my counter-attack, and these attacks reduced your adjusted AV to a fraction of mine. But what really killed you was the disruption your troops must have had the days following these failed attacks.

This was the last Japanese attack - note the adjusted AV - only 118!! The next day USAFFE counter-attacked and got 4-1 odds:

Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 56917 troops, 287 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 903
Defending force 85656 troops, 732 guns, 334 vehicles, Assault Value = 1789

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Japanese max assault: 860 - adjusted assault: 118
Allied max defense: 1764 - adjusted defense: 8501

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese ground losses:
5487 casualties reported, Guns lost 32

Allied ground losses:
907 casualties reported, Guns lost 27, Vehicles lost 4

[Feinder]

The USAFFE forces are not to be trivialized.  That wouldn't be the first time I saw inadquate force used vs. USAFFE in an AAR.  Some folks strategy is to just bottle up Manilla.  And that may be fine.  With 2 Divs(+), bottleing them up, is about all you -might- get.  You need more like 4 divs for any sort of assault.  I sent 6 Divs + a bunch of the NavGd and SNLF units.
 
-F-

[GaryChildress]

OK VSWG. Point taken. I suck at this game anyway. [:D]

[RUPD3658]

Shameless bump after noticing VSWG added this to the "Must Read Threads" [8D]