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RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:05 pm
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: el cid again

Idea number two: AI's "strategy" is to assume you do the "historical" thing and hide out on Bataan - so it goes there first.
This is ahistorical in the sense that Homma went for Manila first. But I cannot change hard code.

FYI only, in my discontinued RHSCAIO 7.77854 game ended 1/19/1942, I took a stand at Clark withdrawing many troops to that location, but not at the expense of Bataan or Manila. For two plus weeks the Japanese banged heads at Clark with approximately even troop numbers of 30,000 plus each and were still fighting. There were no (not one) attack against Bataan or Manila. The Japanese had captured Mauban-Lamon Bay and Lucena (Luzon) and were occupied.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:48 am
by el cid again
The place to defend is Baguio - it is malaria free - it is mountains - it has food - and it has resources of more valuable kinds - also an airfield.
Yamashita did this - and we decided fighting was not worth the trouble. We got him surrender orders. When I first saw Baguio City - after hours of crossing ridge lines with swift rivers - I said "MacArthur was a fool"

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:37 am
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: el cid again

The place to defend is Baguio - it is malaria free - it is mountains - it has food - and it has resources of more valuable kinds - also an airfield.
Yamashita did this - and we decided fighting was not worth the trouble. We got him surrender orders. When I first saw Baguio City - after hours of crossing ridge lines with swift rivers - I said "MacArthur was a fool"


Wrong subject for the thread but I really don't understand the games ground war (defense modifiers, etc). Game-wise, can't Baguio be cut off from the supply stream from Manila. I picked Clark because it looked like it would block attacks on Manila (where all the supplies are) from the north where the majority of the enemy troops were coming from.

I don't understand how the 50 daily supply allocation computes into supporting the number of troops it takes to defend the location or how the 300 daily resorces converts to supplies without a port. Like I say I am not that savvy with this portion of the game.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:41 am
by witpqs
Maybe this is one of those times when the game differs from reality. I've never been there, but maybe Baguio could have been better if it were properly fortified and stocked with supplies? Just speculating.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:44 am
by Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: witpqs

Maybe this is one of those times when the game differs from reality. I've never been there, but maybe Baguio could have been better if it were properly fortified and stocked with supplies? Just speculating.
That is what I was thinking but Sid did say malaria free area which I was relating to the game.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:21 pm
by el cid again
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
ORIGINAL: el cid again

The place to defend is Baguio - it is malaria free - it is mountains - it has food - and it has resources of more valuable kinds - also an airfield.
Yamashita did this - and we decided fighting was not worth the trouble. We got him surrender orders. When I first saw Baguio City - after hours of crossing ridge lines with swift rivers - I said "MacArthur was a fool"


Wrong subject for the thread but I really don't understand the games ground war (defense modifiers, etc). Game-wise, can't Baguio be cut off from the supply stream from Manila. I picked Clark because it looked like it would block attacks on Manila (where all the supplies are) from the north where the majority of the enemy troops were coming from.

I don't understand how the 50 daily supply allocation computes into supporting the number of troops it takes to defend the location or how the 300 daily resorces converts to supplies without a port. Like I say I am not that savvy with this portion of the game.

Baguio does not need an LOC to get supplies as long as it is not occupied by the enemy - it makes its own. These will tend to build up if you have HQ and units in the hex. Indeed, cutting it off means it does not give up supplies. Most players ignore it - and it will be a nasty fight due to mountains - so they may be wise to ignore it. 50 plus 300 = 350 times 30 = 10,500 supply per month. Port matters not a whit.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 3:24 pm
by el cid again
ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Maybe this is one of those times when the game differs from reality. I've never been there, but maybe Baguio could have been better if it were properly fortified and stocked with supplies? Just speculating.
That is what I was thinking but Sid did say malaria free area which I was relating to the game.

ONLY in RHS - not in any other form of WITP - is it malaria free.

Deliberately - because it is IRL.

It can be fortified - and sending engineers and troops with engineers to fortify it before Japan gets there is smart.

WITP makes mountain fighting tough. IRL it was felt a battalion could hold Balinta Pass against all comers long enough to matter.
ANY battalion.




RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 6:02 pm
by Buck Beach
I was confusing supply production with fuel in needing a port.

RE: Question about RHS installation.

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 11:44 am
by bwheatley
I know playing aganist a human is better :). I've played a few PBEM games am looking for my first PBEM for one of the RHS scenarios. I was only asking becuase in the stock game jap had going after manilla with everything and gone after singapore and burma with all its might. But in may 1942 I still control rangoon and the japs aren't coming up the coast. But saying they are following historical rules makes sense as to why they aren't coming into manilla for me. :)

Having much fun with the extra maps parts thats for sure :) Though its sure a long direct trip from new orleans to sydney. i had to wind up making pago pago and noumea mid trip supply hexes for the oil bound for australia.