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Hi All,

Yes craters would be very good. Especially to use afterwards for cover.

regards John

Casualties may be just fine, but artillery does not seem to have much suppressive effect? Am I just not noticing it?

I've just started playing the game, and I'm impressed. Took a bit to get to grips, but a cliffhanger of a random battle has me hooked. With my tanks all KO'd and only infantry and artillery left to try and salvage a result I managed to top hit and KO a T34 with a Nebelwerfer with the first phase barrage[:)]. That swung the show for me as my remaining infantry managed to steel two flags and secure a marginal victory. Two questions: how likely was it that I would hit and KO the T34 with a werfer barrage? Was I just lucky, or can I hope to use arty in this situation in the future to salvage the situation?

ORIGINAL: cillmhor
I've just started playing the game, and I'm impressed. Took a bit to get to grips, but a cliffhanger of a random battle has me hooked. With my tanks all KO'd and only infantry and artillery left to try and salvage a result I managed to top hit and KO a T34 with a Nebelwerfer with the first phase barrage[:)]. That swung the show for me as my remaining infantry managed to steel two flags and secure a marginal victory. Two questions: how likely was it that I would hit and KO the T34 with a werfer barrage? Was I just lucky, or can I hope to use arty in this situation in the future to salvage the situation?

Excellent, I love those nail-biter battles.

You were pretty lucky with that hit (especially considering rocket artillery in game is considerably less accurate than other artillery), but if the T-34 was stationary and you drop enough artillery on its position, anything is possible.

ORIGINAL: cillmhor
Two questions: how likely was it that I would hit and KO the T34 with a werfer barrage? Was I just lucky, or can I hope to use arty in this situation in the future to salvage the situation?

One you were way lucky.
To give you an idea of what it might be for a single phase of fire.

I'm not sure of the area of effect of the rocket battery. I can't find it in the rules. Assuming it the same as the 150mm artillery it would be 100m x 150m = 15000 sq. m.

The T34's horizontal area is 3 x 6.68 = 20.04 sq. m. (This just considering the horizontal component)

So 20.04/15000 = 1/748.5 chance of a direct hit on a T34 for a single rocket.
Assuming 6 rockets were fired from 6 batteries = 36 chances to get in this target area. This equates to chance of missing =(1-1/748.5)^36 = 95.3%
Or 4.69% chance of hitting for a 6 launcher battery.
The number of batteries and number of tubes firing alter these odds.

Note that you can damage the T34 by a close hit. So the actual size of damage area of the T34 would be larger and the chance of damage of some kind greater,

Wow, as I suspected, even with closed sheaf, I was very lucky to KO the tank with arty. I assume that a T34's armour is harder to pierce than a PII and so on, with an area hit? And what blast radius does 150mm arty have? In other words within the 150m x 100m closed sheaf area of a 150mm tube, how close does it have to get to a tank/infantry etc to do damage, and then what chance is there that it will damage a T34 for example?

Thanks for the information.

ORIGINAL: cillmhor
Wow, as I suspected, even with closed sheaf, I was very lucky to KO the tank with arty. I assume that a T34's armour is harder to pierce than a PII and so on, with an area hit? And what blast radius does 150mm arty have? In other words within the 150m x 100m closed sheaf area of a 150mm tube, how close does it have to get to a tank/infantry etc to do damage, and then what chance is there that it will damage a T34 for example?

I think its around 1.5m. That's what I read is in some Russian table for the 152mm HE. So the target footprint would increase the T34 by 1.5m on all sides. This would bring it to 6x9.68m = 58 sq m.

The 105mm needs to be within about 0.5m to do some sort of damage. But this reduced size is offset by the higher rate of fire.

Excellent, thank you for this great info.[:)]


Regards,

Greg

With the added 30 sq m "danger" area, chances are now 50/15000 = 1/300 for each rocket, so (1-1/300)^36= 88.67% to NOT land any hit in 36 shells, so like 12% to get a hit (or more !), a little bit less luck is necessary !

ORIGINAL: PDiFolco
With the added 30 sq m "danger" area, chances are now 50/15000 = 1/300 for each rocket, so (1-1/300)^36= 88.67% to NOT land any hit in 36 shells, so like 12% to get a hit (or more !), a little bit less luck is necessary !

Something like that. The close hits are those that hit track, side, rear, or some random vertical armor location on the hull. Then a HE penetration test vs the armor is made. The average HE doesn't penetrate much but odd chances it can do more than average penetration.